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 ·  Posted: 04.08.2015  ·  #1
My steering has become a bit giddy on roundabouts and I am thinking it might be the tyres even though there is still a good bit of thread on them.they are 225/65R16cp camping anyone know where I can get new ones and what prices they would be.
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 ·  Posted: 04.08.2015  ·  #2
Hi paddyx.

It could be your ball joints,I know where you can get tyres,but as you don't give your location i might be sending you kms out of your way. :up:
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 ·  Posted: 04.08.2015  ·  #3
Hi Taylor
I'm in Leinster and I travel a lot to Galway/mayo there is twenty thousand kilometres on the van
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 ·  Posted: 04.08.2015  ·  #5
Paddy
must agree with Ken sounds more like a problem somewhere with the steering linkage have you tried moving the front wheel top and bottom and side to side tosee if you can feel any play
There is a date code on the tyres which should give you some idea if you might need to change them.
I like many others changed my tyres as they were getting old even though they had over 5mm left and also like many others didn't put on camper van tyres but light commercials as they were a lot cheaper

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 ·  Posted: 04.08.2015  ·  #6
Get the steering checked first :up:
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 ·  Posted: 05.08.2015  ·  #7
I jacked the van up and everything is tight no rocking or movement of any kind and the steering is not pulling to the left or right while driving it's just on a roundabout or sharp corner that it feels a bit giddy so I reckon it must be the tyres there is 20k on them but still plenty of thread on them
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 ·  Posted: 05.08.2015  ·  #8
Are the pressures correct?

If so maybe just slow down a bit.
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 ·  Posted: 05.08.2015  ·  #9
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Are the pressures correct?

If so maybe just slow down a bit.


I'm scared of compressors, but car tyres are usually 32 and 25 etc. But van and camper van tyres often reach 75. Scares the dung out of me occasionally.




But must have strengthen sidewalls.
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 ·  Posted: 05.08.2015  ·  #10
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Quote by Scanner

Are the pressures correct?

If so maybe just slow down a bit.


I'm scared of compressors, but car tyres are usually 32 and 25 etc. But van and camper van tyres often reach 75. Scares the dung out of me occasionally.




But must have strengthen sidewalls.



CP tyres go to 5.5 bar (80 psi), and Michelin recommend the rear ones should be inflate to that figure.

Ordinary reinforced commercial vehicle tyres typically have a max pressure in the region of 4.5 bar (65 psi)

Forget anything less than SOMETHING LIKE THIS or a tyre depot airline to pump such tyres.
THESE TYPE are guaranteed to burn out long before you see 5 bar on the gauge.
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 ·  Posted: 05.08.2015  ·  #11
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Quote by Chevy g20

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Are the pressures correct?

If so maybe just slow down a bit.


I'm scared of compressors, but car tyres are usually 32 and 25 etc. But van and camper van tyres often reach 75. Scares the dung out of me occasionally.




But must have strengthen sidewalls.



CP tyres go to 5.5 bar (80 psi), and Michelin recommend the rear ones should be inflate to that figure.

Ordinary reinforced commercial vehicle tyres typically have a max pressure in the region of 4.5 bar (65 psi)

Forget anything less than SOMETHING LIKE THIS or a tyre depot airline to pump such tyres.
THESE TYPE are guaranteed to burn out long before you see 5 bar on the gauge.


Talking about Compressors,
There is a Compressor under the front seat of our Motorhome for the rear Air Bags, anybody know if it can that be used for pumping the wheels?
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 ·  Posted: 05.08.2015  ·  #12
THIS GUY is the VB Air Suspension agent for De Republik, he should know.
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 ·  Posted: 05.08.2015  ·  #13
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THIS GUY is the VB Air Suspension agent for De Republik, he should know.


Thanks Colin,
He fitted the vb air suspension for the previous owner, it would be handy if it could be used.
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 ·  Posted: 06.08.2015  ·  #14
Tyre pressure 80 psi all round as specified I was talking to a tyre guy and he tells me the tyres on the front have tongued and tailed that is the outer side of the tyre has worn differently than the inner side of the tyre caused by cambers on the road he recommends to put two new directional tyres on the front and keep the two I take off as spares for the back
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 ·  Posted: 06.08.2015  ·  #15
Why don't you get the front and swap with the back, then get it tracked, that will sort that for you,

80psi is recommended by tyre manufactures, but Irish roads are a bit rough for 80psi in my opinion, I'd experiment with the pressure on the front two until you find a happy medium,

On my adria I have 65psi in rear and 60psi in front, if I have more air in it would be like driving with solid rubber tyres,
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 ·  Posted: 06.08.2015  ·  #16
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Tyre pressure 80 psi all round as specified I was talking to a tyre guy and he tells me the tyres on the front have tongued and tailed that is the outer side of the tyre has worn differently than the inner side of the tyre caused by cambers on the road he recommends to put two new directional tyres on the front and keep the two I take off as spares for the back


I've never encountered that problem or description of wear before and I've covered over 92k kms in my current 'van.

Sounds to me like the toe in (tracking) could need adjustment or perhaps the camber of the wheel is a bit off, it can happen due to a wheel getting a severe sideways impact. I would get both checked because if one or both are a bit out any replacement tyres will wear unevenly too.
I've often seen directional tyres for cars but didn't know they existed for light commercial and they definitely don't exist for camping tyres.

Make sure whatever you get are rated to take at least the maximum axle weights of your 'van.

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 ·  Posted: 06.08.2015  ·  #17
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Tyre pressure 80 psi all round as specified


Well there is one reason for being giddy on roundabouts - as said WAAAAAAY too high, you are probably only running on the very centre of the tread.

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I was talking to a tyre guy and he tells me the tyres on the front have tongued and tailed that is the outer side of the tyre has worn differently than the inner side of the tyre caused by cambers on the road he recommends to put two new directional tyres on the front and keep the two I take off as spares for the back


Find a "tyre guy" who knows something about tyres then - he is talking bollards.

Tracking is what wears tyres like that - suggesting fitting two new tyres without checking the tracking first is stupid and close to fraud IMHO.
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 ·  Posted: 06.08.2015  ·  #18
The tyres have already been rotated that's why it's not an option I will lower the tyre pressure and see what happens
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 ·  Posted: 06.10.2015  ·  #19
Best thing I've ever done is change to ordinary commercial van tyres and run them at 60psi all round replacing 'Camping Tyres' at 80psi. Transformed the camper from a bumpy noisy giddy thing to a smooth quiet comfortable thing.
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 ·  Posted: 06.10.2015  ·  #20
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Best thing I've ever done is change to ordinary commercial van tyres and run them at 60psi all round replacing 'Camping Tyres' at 80psi. Transformed the camper from a bumpy noisy giddy thing to a smooth quiet comfortable thing.


Same here running van conversion on 50psi much smoother and less road noise.

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 ·  Posted: 06.10.2015  ·  #21
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Best thing I've ever done is change to ordinary commercial van tyres and run them at 60psi all round replacing 'Camping Tyres' at 80psi. Transformed the camper from a bumpy noisy giddy thing to a smooth quiet comfortable thing.



Have you considered the consequences if anything ever goes wrong and an insurance company have to get involved,this is where i would be afraid of the liability .
I know of cases where motorhomes were turned down at MOT for not having the correct tyres fitted.
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 ·  Posted: 06.10.2015  ·  #22
I wouldn't have thought the type of tyre is a fail at mot time so long as the tread is legal and the rating correct for the vehicle. Both my friends and I have run our Motorhomes on commercial tyres and been through mot for a few years without incident
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 ·  Posted: 06.10.2015  ·  #23
I have been to,d by Stuart Insurances in Dublin that I must fit the proper tyres to the van or I will invalidate the insurance.
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 ·  Posted: 06.10.2015  ·  #24
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I have been to,d by Stuart Insurances in Dublin that I must fit the proper tyres to the van or I will invalidate the insurance.


Did you ask them Jack?
If I was working for an Insurance company and didn't know the answer I would cover my ass and tell you you were not covered too . We have many members on the site and I haven't heard of any one not been covered with insurance due to having commercial tyres fitted to their Motorhomes.

Though I may be wrong, Have any one out there got it in writing on a proposal form or policy stating that their Insurance is invalidated due to the fitting of commercial tyres? Or have anybody it in writing that they failed their Road worthiness Test because of their van been fitted with Commercial tyres, not age related or wrong size???
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 ·  Posted: 06.10.2015  ·  #25
Pat I think if you have an accident and the incorrect tyres are fitted the insurance company will not pay up. Stuart's were quite clear about it and said that manufacturers of motorhomes stated specifically the type of tyres that should be fitted.
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 ·  Posted: 06.10.2015  ·  #26
If they are the correct ply and correct load rating they are the correct tyres. All the new vans we get come with continental Vanco tyres which are m&s rated the same as the motorhome version.

When you read the handbook it's for the base vehicle, fiat/Peugeot/Renault and it only states the size and load rating, nothing that it must be camper versions
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 ·  Posted: 06.10.2015  ·  #27
John, in the handbook that's produced by Adrai it clearly states that camping car tyres must be fitted and Magowens at Mallusk confirmed the same to me.
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 ·  Posted: 06.10.2015  ·  #28
No need for Motorhome tyres as long as van tyres accept the right pressure, as John said.

Some vans require 80PSI, most van tyres if not all only go to 69PSI IIRC, so that would be illegal. Depends on the weight of your van, 3.5 tonne is usually ok with van tyres where as a 3850 or above van would not be.
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 ·  Posted: 06.10.2015  ·  #29
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Pat I think if you have an accident and the incorrect tyres are fitted the insurance company will not pay up. Stuart's were quite clear about it and said that manufacturers of motorhomes stated specifically the type of tyres that should be fitted.


Surely some one covered by Stuarts have had an accident running on Commercial tyres and we should have heard that they were not covered. I haven't seen anything about tyre speck on my Insurance policy and if I don't ask them How am I suppose to know especially if it pass's the Road worthiness test.
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 ·  Posted: 06.10.2015  ·  #30
Maybe it's because my van is is classed as 3850 and not 3500.
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 ·  Posted: 06.10.2015  ·  #31
I use Toyo HO9 winter tyres all year round because of their ability to deal with wet grass and mud more effectively. I don't imagine I could easily get motorhome specific winter tyres. Some countries require winter tyres to be fitted. Most insurance companies give a dispensation for this in the UK.

I calculated the tyre pressures for my vehicle using my weighbridged axle figures and the tyresafe website, so theoretically I could be invalidated because I don't follow the pressures on the plaque on the doorpost.

It could be argued that my braking distance is greater in the summer, thus invalidating my policy, but in the winter my distance is shorter so I should get credit for being safer than required by law.

I follow the load ratings, tyre tread depths and condition of tyres and feel that I comply with any legal requirement, it certainly has not drawn any comment from MOT staff.

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 ·  Posted: 06.10.2015  ·  #32
I was just about to buy new tires, but now I don't know what to do. :(
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 ·  Posted: 07.10.2015  ·  #33
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I was just about to buy new tires, but now I don't know what to do. :(


Ring 3 tyre fitters and ask the professionals,

My local lad whom I'm dealing with for nearly 20 years told me that once the load rating and tyre size are correct that's what counts, the tyres I got last time on the Van are a Michelin M&S (not a camping tyre) and they are actually higher load rated than the camping tyre,

Ask him your self,

Modern tyres (used to be Hanover tyres) Galway 091-565642 ask for Tommy Duggan, he will call a spade a spade. And if you do require camping tyres he will fit them but he will give you honest info with no sales waffle :up:

Tell him john (mention the Motorhome)told you to call.

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 ·  Posted: 07.10.2015  ·  #34
john those tyres of yours look like super singles lol
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 ·  Posted: 07.10.2015  ·  #35
Thanks.

I must have court my local guy at a bad time. He just gave me a list of 4 different makes of tire and recommend I get the cheapest.

He didn't seem willing to tell me anything about them.

I will give modern tyres a call. Thanks.
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 ·  Posted: 07.10.2015  ·  #36
Bit long winded this but does explain quite a lot

http://www.motorcaravanning.com/vehicles/tyres.htm

So to add addition bits to the discussion

A ‘camping’ tyre nowadays can be defined as a tyre that carries a “CP” marking on its sidewall.

The CP-marking was approved by the ETRTO (European Tire and Rim Technical Organization) as an indicator that a tyre has been developed by its manufacturer as being particularly appropriate for use on motorhomes. Other than that the CP-marking has no technical implications.

Apparently the ETRTO (for reasons known only to itself) decided that only 8PR tyres can be CP-marked and Continental’s VancoCamper in 215/75 R16C size is a 10PR tyre.

A 215/75 R16C VancoCamper tyre is a genuine ‘camping’ tyre (like all the other VancoCamper sizes) but, because its size/load-index combination makes it 10PR, the ETRTO’s decision prevents Continental from CP-marking it. This anomaly is highlighted here

http://www.continental-tyres.c…tml?page=4

So I am happy with mine as it is only a van conversion plated to 3300kg
Motorhomes with much higher plating may infact be too heavy for CPs and need commercial 10ply or above

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 ·  Posted: 07.10.2015  ·  #37
Hi got two new tyres for the back of the knaus last week, needed to get a high load rating because I carry a ktm 690 motorcycle on a rack,I went from 215/75/16 to 225/75/16 Hankook Ra18 because these tyres are 10 ply with a load rating of 121/120R there speed rated up to about 165 km so should do :devil:
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