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Posted: 28.05.2015  ·  #1
We had a terrible return crossing from Dublin to Holyhead on Tuesday 19th.
We were booked on the 14:15 slow ferry (Epsilon) the 14:30 Swift crossing was cancelled and it's passengers transferred to the Epsilon.

The problem was Swift passengers appeared to be given preferential treatment. They appeared to be pulled out of their lanes and boarded first, by the times the Epsilon's own passengers were loaded all the covered decks were full and only the upper open deck was left. My motorhome was parked right at the rear and I came back to find it covered in a film of sea spray - so bad I had to clean the windscreen before I could drive off. I was slightly only slightly less happy than the driver of a brand new Ferrari parked just behind me.

The Epsilon has the most inadequate passenger accommodation I have ever seen on a ferry anywhere in the world. I would have been surprised to see such a small ferry on the Isle of Wight crossing from Southampton to Cowes. Let alone for a 3.5 hour crossing of the Irish Sea, I'm horrified to see it is also used for Dublin - Cherbourg :o

So I fired off this email to IF as soon as I was able to.

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I have finally managed to find time to write to thank Irish Ferries for almost the worst ferry crossing experience I have ever had and I have had many as far afield as The Baltic, Greece, New Zealand, Malaysia and Canada.

The only one that has surpassed it for unpleasantness was over 6 hours bobbing in a Force Ten about just outside Dover. In this case it wasn't the effect of the weather as that is something out with the control of the ferry company. In this case it was the apparent inferior treatment of the passengers actually booked on the Epsilon for that crossing.

The 14:30 crossing of the Jonathon Swift was cancelled and in it's efforts to (so it seems) minimise the inconvenience to the passengers on the cancelled crossing Irish Ferries managed to very greatly inconvenience the passengers who booked to travel on the "slow boat".

I (and my wife) arrived in very good time, checked in and were instructed park up in the lower numbered lanes on the left hand side. We noticed (and thought strange) that much later arrivals who were parked up in the higher numbered lanes some way to the right hand side were all moved up and queued up alongside the security fence in front of the terminal building some 30 - 50 minutes before we were even told to start up. Indeed we were told we had time to visit the terminal building for refreshments. By the time we returned to our motorhome all the pre-queued vehicles along the security fence had been boarded. When we were eventually boarded all the lower car decks were full and we had to be accommodated on the open deck right at the stern of the ship.
When we entered the ferry itself we were astonished to find it's totally inadequate passenger areas already fully occupied and passenger milling about vainly trying to find space to sit down.

It seemed to me and others actually booked on the Epsilon I spoke to and who were boarded at the same time, that the displaced passengers from the later ferry had been boarded first and the Epsilon's actual passengers left until last.
If it wasn't for the fact that large numbers of passengers, including myself, purchased cabins (at an additional unplanned cost of 38€) at the earliest opportunity, travelling conditions in the very restricted passenger "Lounge" (I use that description very advisedly) would have been illegal if the "passengers" had been livestock instead of human customers.

I am stunned that a vessel with such restricted passenger accommodation can even be thought suitable for a 3.5hour crossing, I have been on much larger ferries for crossings of less than half that time. I would certainly avoid booking any crossing in future, if there was any chance I would be travelling on the Epsilon for more than 30 minutes.

I am sorry but the appalling experience of the return crossing soured what had until then been a pleasant 2 week holiday touring Ireland. The real slap in the face for the passenger actually booked to travel on the Epsilon was reserved until last - the point at which passengers were asked to return to their vehicles. The Master/Captain/Driver/whatever came on the PA and offered extensive and profuse apologies to the Jonathan Swift's displaced passengers hoping they hadn't been too inconvenienced too much and Ohh so sorry their crossing had had to be cancelled. What was offered to the Epsilon's real passengers - nothing - zilch - nowt. We had had OUR crossing totally spoilt, to the extent that it was only bearable at the extra cost of buying use of a cabin so we could at least sit down in reasonable comfort - well lay down actually, have you ever tried sitting on a bed with a hard wooden rim?

I would hope that in future displaced passengers from another vessel do NOT receive the preferential treatment they appeared to receive in this instance.

S.......... E..........

PS On second thoughts the Friday overnight "Booze Cruise" crossing from Sundsvall to Vasa was nearly as bad as last Tuesday, at least we had a cabin included in the fare then to get away from the boozers.


To give them their due IF responded very quickly..........
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Good Morning Mr E..........



Firstly sincere apologies for any inconvenience caused.



Our aim is to provide a positive memorable travel experience for all our passengers and to that end we greatly appreciate customer feedback as it helps us to concentrate our efforts on improvements needed. Your constructive comments regarding your travel experience on the Epsilon have been forwarded to the Manager of the ship for information.



I am really sorry that you had such an unpleasant experience. As a gesture of goodwill I have refunded the cost of the cabin you purchased on board. A refund for £30.00 €38.00) has been made to the card used to pay for your booking. Please verify on your next bank statement.



Thank you for bringing the issues to our attention and I hope we will have many opportunities over the coming years to welcome you on board.



Kind regards

Mary Whirdy

Customer Support.



But despite all that think very carefully if planning to use that route and the vessel scheduled is the Epsilon - IF say it is a "budget service" - they are not joking. :lol:


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Posted: 29.05.2015  ·  #2
Sounds like an awful crossing and a crap end to a good holiday.


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I followed up their response with a thank you and a request that they don't appear to favour the displaced passengers over the actual ones in future.

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Thank you Mary, for that I'm most grateful.

If I may could I just reiterate the following point.

At no time was anything (as far as I and others booked on the Epsilon could tell) said or done to apologise for or minimise the inconvenience and disruption endured by the Epsilon's own passengers.

The passengers from the Swift were continually apologised to and so far as we could see granted precedence over the legitimate passengers booked on that crossing and that on a ship that had IMHO barely adequate passenger accommodation in the first place.

Should this situation occur in future (as it no doubt will) could Irish Ferries please ensure the legitimate pre-booked passengers on the Epsilon are loaded first and treated as the priority they should be. If need be offer them complimentary cabins if they wish and so clear the decks for the Johnny come latelies - the fuel cost saving alone from only running one boat should more than offset the cost of a few free cabins.

Please show consideration for the pre-booked passengers in future - the re-booked Swift passengers should just be grateful they are getting a crossing at all.

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S............ E.........

PS Or get a more suitable ship, capable of absorbing that number of displaced passengers.


But this only elicited the following response from IF that does nothing to dispel my suspicions of "preferential treatment" for the Swift passengers, indeed it only reinforces them.

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Good Morning Mr E...........

Thank you for your reply.

I can appreciate that you were frustrated by events. However the delay in loading related to the fact that you were in a campervan. The Loading Officer has to take many factors into account, including safety rules, height and length of vehicles in order to stabilise the ship. Consequently loading cannot be based only on the order and time that vehicles arrive at check-in.

I hope you have a better experience the next time you travel with us.

If I can be of assistance at any time please do not hesitate to contact me.

Thanks and Regards

Mary Whirdy

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Sorry to labour this matter, but how can that be?

I was one of only 2 motorhomes amongst a vast majority of cars and small vans in the lanes loaded last. Other vans, caravans and motorhomes from the other lanes were loaded ahead of the mixed group of vehicles I was in.

I travel by ferry a lot and I am all too aware that it is usual for similar sized vehicles to be segregated into separate lanes and then loaded together - however that did not happen in this instance. Sorting appeared to be entirely random with vehicles of all sizes in different lanes and in both groups of lanes. One group of lanes containing all sizes of vehicle was then loaded before the other group - that is not normal.

If ALL the vehicles held back and loaded last had been vans, caravans and motorhomes I could accept that explanation, but they were not. The only other motorhome in the group loaded with me was displaying a blue badge and was parked immediately outside the doors to the passenger accommodation as is usual.

My motorhome was the only vehicle larger than a car or small van on the open deck, all the other large vehicles in the lanes loaded first were already parked on the lower decks.

So if the Loading Officer's assertion is correct all the large vehicles should have been on the lower deck or all should have been on the upper open deck, not most on the lower decks and the only 2 from the held back lanes on the top deck with the cars and small vans.

Regards

S....... E..........


PS In future I would only ever even consider travelling on the Epsilon again overnight and with a pre-booked cabin and that would only be after having exhausted all other possibilities.

We had thought we would be travelling on the Ulysees, but we booked the £99 each way Camping Ireland offer over the phone (as you have to) and it was only when the confirmation email arrived that we saw it was Epsilon - about which there is virtually no information on the IF website, other than that it offers a "budget service" - I now see why.
If they showed prospective traveller what the ship was like and the "facilities" :lol: it offers, no one would book to travel on it.


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We used the Epsilon to travel to Wales and the Swift on return in April as our free trip from last years French holiday.

All went smoothly, however, we used the Epsilon because it sailed at 1.55 am and gave us the whole day to use in Wales. The boat was ok and we had booked a cabin, but on walking round the boat the next morning I was surprised at the size and lack of accommodation and facilities. I made a conscious decision not to use it for a Continental trip. As for Budget, when I have priced both routes I have found no worthwhile savings ( diesel excepted).

On our return trip a week later we had booked the Swift as it gave us the whole day in Wales before returning home. Whilst everything was fine, I was conscious that these types of vessel are more prone to weather related cancelation, so I watched the weather like a hawk for the final couple of days in case we needed to alter the booking or turn up for an earlier boat.

Your experience reinforces my feelings about the crossing and I will in future stick with the 'proper' vessels.

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That was a terrible experience and im glad you have highlighted it. As Davy has said I couldn't see any real saving on the French crossing using Epsilon other than diesel to Rosslare. I certainly wont even consider using it.


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It is interesting that my most recent email to them saying that I simply did not believe their excuses/explanations for the order of loading, as it was plain that not ALL the large vehicles were held back - so that could not be the explanation for the which vehicles were loaded last - has not been answered after several days.

My previous emails were answered almost by return. I would like to think they are going back to the staff at the port for a full explanation - but somehow I doubt it and I'm not holding my breath.

I shall think twice before making a ferry booking with IF in future - which is a shame as the loading at Pembroke Dock on the way out was the slickest, best organised I have ever experienced as I rolled up to the check-in the guy leaned out checked my name and had handed me the boarding card before I even needed to stop.

At Pembroke the loading WAS done by size with all the vans, campers, caravans and motorhomes in one lane, with none of the segregation I witnessed at Dublin.

I guess the answer is just to give Dublin a miss in future.


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It is probably like most systems. It runs smoothly until it is different than normal. Then nobody knows what it best.

It is a pity to read your experience as we have traveled to France with irish ferries a lot over the years without any major issues.


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It is probably like most systems. It runs smoothly until it is different than normal. Then nobody knows what it best.

It is a pity to read your experience as we have traveled to France with irish ferries a lot over the years without any major issues.


I have to agree with Mark, Just be thankful it wasn't on the outward journey and try to put it behind you.
We went to France last year on the Norman atlantic and a couple months later it caught fire off the coast of Corfu with the loss of 13 lives i think. Now I am sure the passengers on that voyage would be happy if they only had your Problems. Having said that I do feel sorry for the way you were treated and know all about it after spending over 12 hours sitting in a car with three young chrildren in the compound in Fishguard years ago waiting for a boat that the engine broke down in.


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slightly off topic, I booked with IF some time ago. My ticket out is non flexible. I've since fitted a roof rack box and bike rack, am I likely to get hassle/charged when I arrive?

sorry for going off topic!!


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I should think that is unlikely if you have a standard coach built van. It might be more obvious if a panel van, but whilst they load sometimes by height ( like yesterday ) the loaders don't know what you paid. The worst scenario is to pay the difference.

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I would chance it, arrive when they are busy and the last thing they want is slowing the loading process.


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It is probably like most systems. It runs smoothly until it is different than normal. Then nobody knows what it best.

It is a pity to read your experience as we have traveled to France with irish ferries a lot over the years without any major issues.


I have to agree with Mark, Just be thankful it wasn't on the outward journey and try to put it behind you.
We went to France last year on the Norman atlantic and a couple months later it caught fire off the coast of Corfu with the loss of 13 lives i think. Now I am sure the passengers on that voyage would be happy if they only had your Problems. Having said that I do feel sorry for the way you were treated and know all about it after spending over 12 hours sitting in a car with three young chrildren in the compound in Fishguard years ago waiting for a boat that the engine broke down in.


Ohh I have got over it - the bit I don't like is the excuses and fibs that just don't stack up when examined closer.
If mistakes/wrong calls are made I would much rather they were owned up to and apologised for than attempts made to whitewash them.

If it had been a proper full size ferry like the Inishmore or any of the ships across the channel I doubt if the problem would even have been noticeable.

BUT the Epsilon is barely up to carrying it's own complement of passengers and their vehicles for a 3.5 hour crossing, let alone a Swift load as well.

As I said to IF in my email, the saving in fuel alone from cancelling the Swift would easily have paid for offering those who wanted one a cabin. They knew who was booked on the Epsilon and who wasn't, so it would have been easy enough to tell anyone booked on the Epsilon to show their boarding pass at the desk on board and collect a cabin key in recompense for having the ship swamped with displaced Swift passengers. As it was the only passengers who got any form of apology whatsoever were the ones who should have been grateful for even getting a crossing at all, let alone what looked suspiciously like preferential treatment on someone else's crossing.


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