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Posted: 13.06.2024  ·  #1
Hi all,
I'm heading to peschiera del garda next month for a few nights to visit garda land again with the family and then onto two campsites near Venice for a wk each...just wondering would any of you have any tips for what's the best route to take from cherbourg to peschiera del garda....my motorhome has an overcab and is 3050mm high at the overcab so I believe I'll be charged a class 3 in the mont blanc tunnel which would get expensive if doing it both ways..I've never gone through the mont blanc tunnel before so I'm not sure if they are strict on the height or not seeing as I'll be driving a camper and not a commercial vehicle...I wouldn't mind paying the class 2 price but class 3 is around €200 each way.i'll try to get to lake garda on the second day doing approx 7hrs driving each day and parking at an aire for one night on the way...i hope to stay at the aire in peschiera then for a few nights also before heading towards Venice.Thanks in advance for an any info.


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Posted: 13.06.2024  ·  #2
Fantastic destinations and others will advise on best routes ( we did fly/drive when we went ). But make sure to bring plenty of mozzie spray for the campsites near Venice.


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Posted: 13.06.2024  ·  #3
Have you considered Paris - Munich - Innsbruck- over the Brenner Pass and down into Reva del Garda

No tolls in the German section, if you're not over 3.5t the short nip across Austria at Innsbruck shouldn't cost much.
We did it in 2010 and only paid the toll at the Brenner Pass.


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Thanks for the advice....yeah I heard the mossies can be vicious there alright🙂

No I haven't really looked into the routes as of yet baguette,I just put the destination into Google maps and it was bringing me either through the mont blanc tunnel or I think through Switzerland...i've never drove that far across france before,the most i've done is to disney and the tolls were getting pricey when I got near paris..with Google maps it was giving me a time of 14 odd hours drive from cherbourg to lake garda also which will obviously be more in the camper. I was just hoping someone here maybe has a route they've took before that uses some motorways and some National roads to get across as quick as possible without getting totally fleeced on the toll roads....and also if someone had taken the mont blanc tunnel before with a camper slightly over the 3metres and if they had to pay the class 3 price or class 2...


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I don't know how used you are to long distance driving, If I was looking at the Google maps trip for that journey of 1334km I would be calculating 17 hours driving minimum, ( if you can average more than 80kph in a Motorhome you'll be pushing the pedal) and then add another 3, at least for stops, for food and leg stretches. But in reality I'd consider I'm on holidays, not working and be looking at 4 days.
In my working days, I'd think nothing of driving from 6 in the mornings untill 8 at night,with various stops.


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Being overheigt, if you do get asked for class 3, press the help button and say the phrase, Je suis un camping-car classe deux s'il vous plaît, this usually gets the operator to change the rate to class 2

Regarding the route. If you need to make time toll roads in France are your only option, the N and D roads are notoriously slow going, Expect A to B times to be at least double that on the toll motorways.

Try https://www.viamichelin.com/ ,the desktop site not the mobile site on the phone, for your route planning, if you use the vehicle options 'Luxury Saloon' and 'towing a caravan' it will give a good toll, route, time and fuel consumption prediction which are close to what to expect with a motorhome. The site also has other parameter choices like toll or no toll and the anticipation price per litre.

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Your on the money there sprinter,yeah it is a long owl drive and one i probably won't do again in a hurry...i'd usually just do maybe 5 or 6 hrs max to the destination on the summer hols but this whole trip was based on the two campsites,marina de venezia and union lido which look amazing and literally booked out in hours...I'll prob never go back again by motorhome but just thought it would be nice for the family hols as the kids love the pools and slides etc...I have 3 wks off so 1 wk is the travelling and hitting garda land and peschiera...I'd like to try and do the driving in the 2 days so but as you said its not work driving,it's holiday driving🙂

Thanks for that info on the viamichelin baguette, that's exactly what I'm after...super stuff,it'll give me an idea of the route and the toll prices👍

Usually I'm charged class 2 on the tolls in France, its just I've never done the mont blanc tunnel...I'm not sure if they have a camera or something that measures the van or is it someone in a booth that takes the fee and determines which class you are....I think its like €80 one way with class 2 and like €200 with class 3...mental prices!! The price of our tolls are not so bad after all 🙂

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Have you got a toll tag, might be worth while to go trough the mototions in getting one and see what they will class you as, if the likes of ATMB have you details as a class 2 camper that's what you will be charged at, is your van over 3500kg.?


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I always avoid the Mont Blanc tunnel, crazy prices, especially as return is only valid for 7 days (or something like that) so if the trip is longer you have to pay two one way prices. There are other tunnels which are cheaper, and which don't have the 7 day return restriction (Grand Saint Bernard). Personally, heading to that part of Italy I'd go via Switzerland north of lake Geneva then over the Simplon Pass. Great camping spot on top of the pass as well for a night with facilities to break up the journey. Avoids expensive tunnel tolls.

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Have you got a toll tag, might be worth while to go trough the mototions in getting one and see what they will class you as, if the likes of ATMB have you details as a class 2 camper that's what you will be charged at, is your van over 3500kg.?


Don't have a toll tag sprinter,we usually just pay at the booth...is there a tag you recommend?? my van is 3500kg...uprating is on the to do list.

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I always avoid the Mont Blanc tunnel, crazy prices, especially as return is only valid for 7 days (or something like that) so if the trip is longer you have to pay two one way prices. There are other tunnels which are cheaper, and which don't have the 7 day return restriction (Grand Saint Bernard). Personally, heading to that part of Italy I'd go via Switzerland north of lake Geneva then over the Simplon Pass. Great camping spot on top of the pass as well for a night with facilities to break up the journey. Avoids expensive tunnel tolls.


Thanks for that info Bobby,I'll check that out...sounds good👍


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Have you got a toll tag, might be worth while to go trough the mototions in getting one and see what they will class you as, if the likes of ATMB have you details as a class 2 camper that's what you will be charged at, is your van over 3500kg.?


Don't have a toll tag sprinter,we usually just pay at the booth...is there a tag you recommend?? my van is 3500kg...uprating is on the to do list.


My van is a heavy weight and I use the ATMB Toll tag, class 2, just got a new replacement one after 7 years (foc), you pay rental for the month you use it and get your bill the next month, I got it for when I was driving a RHD van, and not speaking French, you just get into tag lane slow down to 30km and drive straight trough, it's great when you arrive at a toll with a queue of about 20 cars in each of of the 10 lanes. 😊 It also transferres to a car if hire one.
https://www.atmb.com/

I'm sure others will recommend different tags, that do multiple Country's

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Have you got a toll tag, might be worth while to go trough the mototions in getting one and see what they will class you as, if the likes of ATMB have you details as a class 2 camper that's what you will be charged at, is your van over 3500kg.?


Don't have a toll tag sprinter,we usually just pay at the booth...is there a tag you recommend?? my van is 3500kg...uprating is on the to do list.


My van is a heavy weight and I use the ATMB Toll tag, class 2, just got a new replacement one after 7 years (foc), you pay rental for the month you use it and get your bill the next month, I got it for when I was driving a RHD van, and not speaking French, you just get into tag lane slow down to 30km and drive straight trough, it's great when you arrive at a toll with a queue of about 20 cars in each of of the 10 lanes. 😊 It also transferres to a car if hire one.
https://www.atmb.com/

I'm sure others will recommend different tags, that do multiple Country's


Thanks for the info Sprinter...if I was to get one I'd probably want one that would work in other European countries also for handyness...my van is a LHD so it's not a bother using the booths,just parting with the spondoolies is the hard bit😄...

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I have a LHD class A campervan and always a pain at tolls, even if the driver is on the side where the toll is paid. So, Sprinters post inspired me do something and I've just signed up for a bip&go tag, which works in France, Spain, Italy and Portugal.

Hoping it arrives before my planned trip through France to Spain in July. Will post on here after I've used it so others can benefit from my experience.

They also offer a discount of €4 if you are referred by a friend, so if anyone wants me to refer them just contact me with first name, last name and email address.


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I've looked at bip&go , it looks like the cost of getting it and running it comes to about €36 before you even put a tyre on the road, or am I reading it wrong 🤷


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For France, Spain and Portugal it's €20 including delivery (pay as you go option). Extra €4 if you want Italy.


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Maybe I'm privileged to be retired and touring, but I've been from NE Germany to SW Portugal and from NW France to South of Italy and only rearly pay a toll.
Using toll roads (Motorways) you don't get to savoury the hidden jems found on the ordinary main road routes.
Like good food and wine, touring is best enjoyed at a leisurely pace.


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For France, Spain and Portugal it's €20 including delivery (pay as you go option). Extra €4 if you want Italy.


Plus €16 maintenance, taken from your first bill, I think

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Agree with Baguette. Never use the tolls in France or Spain now. Retired also and in no rush. Saves fuel also. Used to use the tolls when I had the kids in the back.


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For France, Spain and Portugal it's €20 including delivery (pay as you go option). Extra €4 if you want Italy.


Plus €16 maintenance, taken from your first bill, I think


I think the €16 maintenance fee you mention is only if you have opted for the fixed price option, ie. pay for full year. I've opted for the pay as you go so only pay for months when I use it

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I uses bit of both but have found that the French have discovered roundabouts and it's gets annoying after a while

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I uses bit of both but have found that the French have discovered roundabouts and it's gets annoying after a while


You just have to sway with the flow Tommy, 😁😂

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Maybe I'm privileged to be retired and touring, but I've been from NE Germany to SW Portugal and from NW France to South of Italy and only rearly pay a toll.
Using toll roads (Motorways) you don't get to savoury the hidden jems found on the ordinary main road routes.
Like good food and wine, touring is best enjoyed at a leisurely pace.


Baguette can I ask if your headin away next morning after being parked up do you ever use A A route planner o R A C route planner for non tolls or non motor way,

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Maybe I'm privileged to be retired and touring, but I've been from NE Germany to SW Portugal and from NW France to South of Italy and only rearly pay a toll.
Using toll roads (Motorways) you don't get to savoury the hidden jems found on the ordinary main road routes.
Like good food and wine, touring is best enjoyed at a leisurely pace.


Baguette can I ask if your headin away next morning after being parked up do you ever use A A route planner o R A C route planner for non tolls or non motor way,


I have TomTom Go Camper and it's usually set to fastest route but avoiding tolls.
To check the TomTom route I sometimes look at Google Maps or Waze but they don't have vehicle options which includes large vehicles like a motorhome.
I sometimes use ViaMichelin, set for luxury Saloon + caravan, when exploring route options if using the laptop. I like how it gives fuel and toll costs if you put a relevant price per litre in the fuel price field.
An old fashioned road atlas of Europe has the dust blown off from time to time also.


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Posted: 18.06.2024  ·  #25
The latest newsletter from ATMB. (a sample) I use the automatic translation on email.
ATMB info #20 – Lutter contre la fraude au covoiturage à la douane de Vallard : un système inédit en France (ATMB info #20 – Fighting carpooling fraud at Vallard customs: a unique system in France)


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