Downweighing a van from 3850kg to 3500kg

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Downweighing a van from 3850kg to 3500kg

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Posted: 22.04.2024  ·  #1
 


I guy's. Long Short. I feel in love with a camper and drove almost 5 hour's to buy it and drive home. All went well with chasis plate saying 3500kg. Then all of a sudden as i was trying to insure it to drive home the insurance company ( Dolmen said they can't insure us because the van is coming up as 3850kg on system). We quickly checked the log book and yes 3850kg along with a sticker inside hidden well in the cab. So left it there and came home heartbroken..
That following week the man who was selling it felt so guilty and such nice people he arranged to get it downgraded to 3500kg and paid for all new plates etc. Him and his wife even drove the 5 hours down to deliver it and got the bus back ( I think my broken heart was very visible and a few tears hahaha).
So he brought the van to be weigted in and its 3000kg . He sorted all for plates to come directly here with the tax book. I will bring it for DOE ( empty) and please god they will re enter new details as 3500kg limit and we will be away....
So the only thing I'm curious about is getting stopped for overweight. Obviously 3 kids and 2 adult's and all the rest will very likely push over 3500kg if we were stopped and weighed.
However ive attached a comment I read which I found very interesting. So basically they were driving legally on a b license. The weight was only over in comparison to the plate and not what the van was designed to safely carry. The van brakes and suspension etc were designed and manufactured to carry 3850kg so unless they could prove that the person was driving the vehicle unsafely they were not prosecuted??? It was only overweight by chasis plate for b license permission but not unsafe as still under the 3850kg manufacturer safety weight and can handle that 3850 safely because it was built to. So unsafe driving had to be proved which couldn't and no prosecution.
It was a very interesting read and I wonder if any of you wise people or lawyers might know if this could br true or myth??? It does sound good to me and if a real thing I would feel less paranoid driving around incase I was overweight.

I'd love to know your thoughts on this any anyone who might know the legal stance on it. Hopefully it might help other's in similar situation also if it turns out to be a fact 😉

Thank you
Jenny


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Posted: 22.04.2024  ·  #2
If the plate says 3500 that's the most you can weigh. I went the other way and upgraded from 4500 to 5000kg without doing anything to the van so it was capable of carrying heavier than initially plated. If I had been stopped and weighted and was overweight before the upgrade I could have been fined. Have you packed the van and taken it to a weighbridge to see how close you are with all aboard. By running with little or no water and waste you might be close. What about upgrading your driving licence?


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I guy's. Long Short. I feel in love with a camper and drove almost 5 hour's to buy it and drive home. All went well with chasis plate saying 3500kg. Then all of a sudden as i was trying to insure it to drive home the insurance company ( Dolmen said they can't insure us because the van is coming up as 3850kg on system). We quickly checked the log book and yes 3850kg along with a sticker inside hidden well in the cab. So left it there and came home heartbroken..
That following week the man who was selling it felt so guilty and such nice people he arranged to get it downgraded to 3500kg and paid for all new plates etc. Him and his wife even drove the 5 hours down to deliver it and got the bus back ( I think my broken heart was very visible and a few tears hahaha).
So he brought the van to be weigted in and its 3000kg . He sorted all for plates to come directly here with the tax book. I will bring it for DOE ( empty) and please god they will re enter new details as 3500kg limit and we will be away....
So the only thing I'm curious about is getting stopped for overweight. Obviously 3 kids and 2 adult's and all the rest will very likely push over 3500kg if we were stopped and weighed.
However ive attached a comment I read which I found very interesting. So basically they were driving legally on a b license. The weight was only over in comparison to the plate and not what the van was designed to safely carry. The van brakes and suspension etc were designed and manufactured to carry 3850kg so unless they could prove that the person was driving the vehicle unsafely they were not prosecuted??? It was only overweight by chasis plate for b license permission but not unsafe as still under the 3850kg manufacturer safety weight and can handle that 3850 safely because it was built to. So unsafe driving had to be proved which couldn't and no prosecution.
It was a very interesting read and I wonder if any of you wise people or lawyers might know if this could br true or myth??? It does sound good to me and if a real thing I would feel less paranoid driving around incase I was overweight.

I'd love to know your taughts on this any anyone who might know the legal stance on it. Hopefully it might help other's in similar situation also if it turns out to be a fact 😉

Thank you
Jenny


A very interesting scenario, which I've often thought about.
Forget about the licence bit but consider the 'overloading'.
So the plate says, for example, 3,500kg and the actual weight is checked to be 3,800kg.
However the sum of the axle weights is 3,950kg and both axles are checked as operating within the plated axle weights, which means the vehicle can technically be uprated to 3.950kg.
Given the above, the vehicle would not be being operated in excess of it's technical maximum carrying capacity, its M.T.P.L.W.
It probably needs a prosecution for 'overloading' to determine if the above defense would be successful.

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If the plate says 3500 that's the most you can weigh. I went the other way and upgraded from 4500 to 5000kg without doing anything to the van so it was capable of carrying heavier than initially plated. If I had been stopped and weighted and was overweight before the upgrade I could have been fined. Have you packed the van and taken it to a weighbridge to see how close you are with all aboard. By running with little or no water and waste you might be close. What about upgrading your driving licence?


What weighbridge do you go to Tommy sprucefield


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Posted: 22.04.2024  ·  #5
Havnt used Sprucefield. Think the last one I used was up at Toomebridge. There's one on the A1 at Loughbrickland. I'm not that worried now since I got it uprated but if I'm passing a weighbridge I might nip on


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Posted: 22.04.2024  ·  #6
Whilst I have no personal experience of what happens if driving overloaded, I have read on uk forums that you might get a 10% leeway. This figure was from a motorhomer who allegedly had worked for the government department enforcing the law by checkpoint inspections.
Obviously the agency are keen to check commercial trucks, but it is the case that at the start of each season caravans and Motorhomes get pulled over by joint police and agency inspections. I think roadworthhyness is the primary reason, eg bald or cracked tyres, brakes, lights, etc likely to cause accidents. Concensus seems to indicate that a vehicle ‘could’ be refused permission to proceed until the vehicle complies with legislation including overloading. Conceivably items might have to be unloaded or discarded to allow compliance.
Hard factual experience of motorhomers is not widely available, so difficult to be totally objective.
Tongue in cheek, my solution is to drop the fresh water (I can carry 140 litres = 140 kg). Get one of the bikes out of the garage where most overloading occurs on the rear axle. Put my wife on the bike wearing a backpack loaded with heavy items, and further items on the pannier of the bike. I reckon I could shed 250 to 300 kgs easily unless I was on a motorway prohibiting cyclists.
We are plated at 3850 kg uprated from 3500. Our van has 3 weight/vin plates. One Fiat under the bonnet. One Alko chassis weight plate under the bonnet, both at 3500 kg and the converters plate beside the habitation door, Hymer at 3850 kg . This is the relevant weight for the finished van. I may have to downplate in a few years time as each three years I have to have a medical to maintain my C1 licence.
It is my belief (not proven) that the majority of vans are running about the country overloaded due to manufacturers selling vans that are 3500 kg for maximum market share to ordinary car licence holders who proceed to put all sorts of kit into them. In the same vein look at the number of beds versus seatbelts. It is unusual to meet vanners who weigh their loaded vans. A prerequisite in my view to get the tyre pressures accurate.

Davy


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