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Posted: 16.02.2024  ·  #1
Hi all I am trying to find out how far do you need to drive onto a weigh bridge in order to get the weights of the front and rear axle. My local Doe centre says that the front axle is over weight by nearly 200kgs. It's a 2007 laika 170 a class gross weight 4000kgs. Van was completely empty of water, gas bottles never failed or had a problem before regarding axle Weights.
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Posted: 16.02.2024  ·  #2
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Hi all I am trying to find out how far do you need to drive onto a weigh bridge in order to get the weights of the front and rear axle. My local Doe centre says that the front axle is over weight by nearly 200kgs. It's a 2007 laika 170 a class gross weight 4000kgs. Van was completely empty of water, gas bottles never failed or had a problem before regarding axle Weights.
Thanks Seamus.


This doesn’t sound right. I can’t really understand how the front axle can be over weight. What is the combined weight and rear axle weight? I’d be booking in to another weighbridge.

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Posted: 16.02.2024  ·  #3
Combined weight of both axles is 4000kgs 1800kgs front 2600kgs rear. The difference on the front axle is a fail from the Doe test of the front axle weight at 1961kg. Hence the need to know where to place the front wheels on an independent weigh bridge so as to get the weight checked against the Doe weight

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Posted: 16.02.2024  ·  #4
Last year mine failed because it was overweight, despite nothing changing from previous years. I went home, emptied all tanks, took out gas cylinders, toilet cassette, food, clothes and pots and pans and brought it back. It failed again. I left it with my mechanic who had a few words with them and got it through. Couldn't get any explanation as to why it failed. Are they becoming like revenue and just picking figures out of the air for their paperwork?

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Posted: 16.02.2024  ·  #5
Their scales are incorrect, 4000 kg empty ,means it can't be driven as your weight alone would overload the van, get it weighed and bring it back and threaten to report them to the RSA for using faulty equipment

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Posted: 16.02.2024  ·  #6
Firstly the weight recorded at a CVRT is notoriously unreliable, my own mh was recorded with weights differing by about 300kg between two test, (test and retest) with everything exactly the same.
AFAIK, because the weighs are not in relation to the sale of goods the machine which records the weights are not subject to weights and measures inspection.

Regarding weighing just one axle, it doesn't matter where that rests on the weigh bridge, it will be exerting the same downwards pressure where ever it is.


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Posted: 16.02.2024  ·  #7
I've had the same problem when getting Mot done. They said one of my rear axles was showing 200kg plus over plated weight. The van was empty and the guy eventually had to agree that his scales, were wrong


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Posted: 16.02.2024  ·  #8
Actual results from my test which I referred to earlier
4th. of August: Front 1613 kg - Rear 1729kg = 3342kg, possibly correct by my guess would have been a bit higher
23rd. August: Front 1505kg - Rear 1486kg = 2991kg, impossible, definitely incorrect.

For both visits, the mh was carrying exactly the same amount of stuff, yet the weight per axle was completely different, not to mention the recorded fictional loss of 351kg between the visits.

Incidentally, the mass in running order on the CoC is 3121kg
Mass in running order is the unladen weight ex-factory plus the weight of 90% fuel, 100 % other liquids, and driver (75 kg allowance)

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Combined weight of both axles is 4000kgs 1800kgs front 2600kgs rear. The difference on the front axle is a fail from the Doe test of the front axle weight at 1961kg. Hence the need to know where to place the front wheels on an independent weigh bridge so as to get the weight checked against the Doe weight


There is something peculiar about this, because a friend of mine who works in a CVRT centre and when this came up before I asked him and he told me their machine was calibrated every year, but their can be discrepancy if the vehicle is not lined up evenly on the rollers, side to side.

I suggest you go to an Authorised /Certified weigh bridge and have them do it, and then take it up with the test center. The Motor Tax Office should have a list of authorised weigh bridges around limerick.

When I got my van weighted for the up plating, I had to drive on about 2mtrs, for the front weight, then reverse on the same distance for the rear weight, this was because the operator wanted the van level with the bridge, it had a level approach and a ramp going off.


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Posted: 16.02.2024  ·  #10
How accurate is a scales normally used to weigh 40 tonnes or more when there's a piddling mh on it that weighs just 3 tonnes or thereabouts.
Or, rollers normally used to weigh a 20 tonne axle with less than 2 tonnes on them.


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Posted: 16.02.2024  ·  #11
As I've said, this should be reported to the RSA , it can't be fixed if they don't know about the problem , I do realise you're dealing with a Quango though


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Posted: 17.02.2024  ·  #12
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As I've said, this should be reported to the RSA , it can't be fixed if they don't know about the problem , I do realise you're dealing with a Quango though


I've had lots of interactions with the RSA. Everytime I think about them,head banging and wall comes to mind

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Posted: 17.02.2024  ·  #13
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As I've said, this should be reported to the RSA , it can't be fixed if they don't know about the problem , I do realise you're dealing with a Quango though


I've had lots of interactions with the RSA. Everytime I think about them,head banging and wall comes to mind


We were discussing speed limits the other day, this is their reply to the question under 3500kg and over 3500kg. Motorhome Speed limits.
You have probably had similar
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Thank you for your query.
Vehicles that were originally designed and manufactured as a motorhome are subject to the ordinary speed limits as prescribed in the Road Traffic Act 2004 and therefore may not exceed speeds of 100km/hr for national primary routes and dual carriageways or 120km/hr for motorways.

Vehicles originally designed or manufactured as a goods vehicle with a design gross vehicle weight greater than 3500kg (EU Category N2 and N3) and converted to a motorhome, must comply with the ordinary speed limits as prescribed in S.I. No. 255/2022 as seen below;

(a) The ordinary speed limit prescribed for a Category N2 or N3 vehicle and a combination of a Category N2 or N3 vehicle when drawing a Category O3 or O4 trailer and when driven on –

(i) a motorway, is 90 kilometres per hour, or
(ii) any other public road, is 80 kilometres per hour.

The above speed limits apply on a public road except when travelling on a road where a lower road speed limit applies.

Please note that the Department of Transport governs speed limits for vehicles on roads. For further advise, please see their website for contact details.( so I asked them reply to follow if I get one)

The question remains, was my A Class 3850kg Motorhome, originally designed and manufactured as a motorhome, or was it a goods vehicle converted to a Motorhome.??? 🤔


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That would be my interpretation

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That would be my interpretation


Exactly, but does the Gatso Van?
Anyway I wouldn't be driving af 120kph either way. 80 /90 is fine.

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Posted: 17.02.2024  ·  #16
Thanks to every one for the advice. I have had the front axle weighed at an independent authorised weigh bridge and it is showing a weight of 1500kgs. So much for the 1964kgs that the Doe centre came up with. I am also getting a second weight docket from another authorised weight bridge on Monday for my re test on Tuesday. From there I will be getting in touch with the RSA regarding the weigh scales at the Doe centre. Both of the operators of the weigh bridges have said they are tested by the weights and measures dept twice a year. Pity they don't include the Doe centres. Again thanks to everyone and I'll let you know the outcome on Tuesday


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Posted: 17.02.2024  ·  #17
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Thanks to every one for the advice. I have had the front axle weighed at an independent authorised weigh bridge and it is showing a weight of 1500kgs. So much for the 1964kgs that the Doe centre came up with. I am also getting a second weight docket from another authorised weight bridge on Monday for my re test on Tuesday. From there I will be getting in touch with the RSA regarding the weigh scales at the Doe centre. Both of the operators of the weigh bridges have said they are tested by the weights and measures dept twice a year. Pity they don't include the Doe centres. Again thanks to everyone and I'll let you know the outcome on Tuesday


I would be asking the supervisor, to show you the scales reading while your van is on it, and if he doesn't allow you into the center test lane, hand him your phone and ask for proof, of the scales reading, for the RAS. Complain.


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Posted: 17.02.2024  ·  #18
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The question remains, was my A Class 3850kg Motorhome, originally designed and manufactured as a motorhome, or was it a goods vehicle converted to a Motorhome.??? 🤔

My Rapido has a Ducato chassis cowl, like most A-Class motorcaravans. The FIAT VIN plate has no weights recorded on it, obviously because when being delivered to AL-KO Autmotive for the second stage of build (the fitting of an AL-KO chassis it was not an actual complete vehicle. It was only after Rapido built the body and created its Certificate of Conformity it came to life as a Motor Caravan.
Ergo, it was never a goods vehicle, notwithstanding some of the component parts are common to a goods vehicle.

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