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Useful, thanks for posting that.

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The in Town part for France should have an ( A ) = A: according to signage.
The majority of French towns and Villages now are 50 from the Town/Village Sign on approach-side, until the exit-side,with a 30k closer to the center with Chicane's also.
All to slow down and discourage through traffic.

Thankfully they are moving in the same direction here at home.


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While the link provides a useful resource, and shows there is a myriad of differences across the different European countries, it says the motorway speed limit for motorhomes > 3500kg and <=7500kg in Ireland is 80km/h.

This is not correct. Its should be 90km/h surely

One wonders regarding the dependability of the listing

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While the link provides a useful resource, and shows there is a myriad of differences across the different European countries, it says the motorway speed limit for motorhomes > 3500kg and <=7500kg in Ireland is 80km/h.

This is not correct. Its should be 90km/h surely

One wonders regarding the dependability of the listing


Actually, there is a lacuna in the speed limit law here which speaks to vehicles over 3.5t.
The law specifically lists various Goods Vehicles and Passenger Vehicles with more than 8 passenger seats (busses) but makes no mention of Motor Caravans, which are neither of the above categories.
So, as it stands, Motor Caravans of whatever weight are only subject to 'car' speed limits.
https://www.irishstatutebook.i…e/en/print

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Road Safety Authority
Speed limits for vehicles
Some drivers must obey speed limits for their vehicles as well as speed limits
for the roads on which they are travelling.
The table below outlines the speed limits that apply to different vehicles.
Vehicle speed limit Type of vehicle to which it applies
65 kilometres an hour
(65kmh)
On all roads
A single or double deck bus or
coach designed for carrying
standing passengers
80 kilometres an hour
(80kmh)
On all roads except
motorways
A goods vehicle with a maximum
authorised mass (MAM) of more
than 3,500 kilograms
90 kilometres an hour
(90kmh)
On motorways
A goods vehicle with a maximum
authorised mass (MAM) of more
than 3,500 kilograms
80 kilometres an hour
(80kmh)
On all roads
Any vehicle towing a trailer,
caravan, horsebox or other
attachment
80 kilometres an hour ( THIS IS ONE THAT IS MOST ABUSED ON OUR ROADS )
(80kmh)
On all roads except
motorways or dual
carriageways
A single or double deck bus or
coach that is not designed for
carrying standing passengers
100 kilometres an hour
(100kmh)
On motorways or dual
carriageways where no lower
speed limit is in place
A single or double deck bus or
coach that is not designed for
carrying standing passenge

But then there is somewhere a section that says motor caravans have a speed limit of 80k .but where to actually find it is a secrete. hidden in the depths of the RSA. also whether it is legally binding is another question altogether


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Even if it's buried in the RSA's small print it's not on The Irish Statute Book.
Members might remember that road worthiness testing only came into law AFTER it was discovered that Motor Caravans had been forgotten in the original relevant legislation. There was a commonly held erroneous belief in the RSA that the existing legislation,at the time, which covered goods vehicles applied also to Motor Caravans.
In the the speed limit legislation for over 3.5t goods vehicles the same mistaken assumption seems still to apply.
It's all probably got to do with the RSA's mindset that Motor Caravans, because they share base components with goods vehicle they treat by them as goods vehicle and not passenger vehicles, which in law they are.

A less prescriptive and more catch-all way to draft the legislation would be to simplify the vehicle descriptions, for example.
Category N Vehicles exceeding 3.5t. GVW used for the carriage of goods.
and
Category M Vehicles exceeding 3.5t. GVW used for the carriage of passengers'

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Even if it's buried in the RSA's small print it's not on The Irish Statute Book.
Members might remember that road worthiness testing only came into law AFTER it was discovered that Motor Caravans had been forgotten in the original relevant legislation. There was a commonly held erroneous belief in the RSA that the existing legislation,at the time, which covered goods vehicles applied also to Motor Caravans.
In the the speed limit legislation for over 3.5t goods vehicles the same mistaken assumption seems still to apply.
It's all probably got to do with the RSA's mindset that Motor Caravans, because they share base components with goods vehicle they treat by them as goods vehicle and not passenger vehicles, which in law they are.

A less prescriptive and more catch-all way to draft the legislation would be to simplify the vehicle descriptions, for example.
Category N Vehicles exceeding 3.5t. GVW used for the carriage of goods.
and
Category M Vehicles exceeding 3.5t. GVW used for the carriage of passengers'


Campervans and motorhomes are either classed as M1 or M2 depending on the weight of the vehicle or number of passengers you are carrying. Under 3500 kgs and less than 8 passengers is M1 and has the same speed restrictions as a car/mpv. Either over 3500 kgs or carrying more than 8 passengers is M2 and is same speed restrictions as a minibus. It is on your vehicle owner certificate.


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Quote by baguette

Even if it's buried in the RSA's small print it's not on The Irish Statute Book.
Members might remember that road worthiness testing only came into law AFTER it was discovered that Motor Caravans had been forgotten in the original relevant legislation. There was a commonly held erroneous belief in the RSA that the existing legislation,at the time, which covered goods vehicles applied also to Motor Caravans.
In the the speed limit legislation for over 3.5t goods vehicles the same mistaken assumption seems still to apply.
It's all probably got to do with the RSA's mindset that Motor Caravans, because they share base components with goods vehicle they treat by them as goods vehicle and not passenger vehicles, which in law they are.

A less prescriptive and more catch-all way to draft the legislation would be to simplify the vehicle descriptions, for example.
Category N Vehicles exceeding 3.5t. GVW used for the carriage of goods.
and
Category M Vehicles exceeding 3.5t. GVW used for the carriage of passengers'


Campervans and motorhomes are either classed as M1 or M2 depending on the weight of the vehicle or number of passengers you are carrying. Under 3500 kgs and less than 8 passengers is M1 and has the same speed restrictions as a car/mpv. Either over 3500 kgs or carrying more than 8 passengers is M2 and is same speed restrictions as a minibus. It is on your vehicle owner certificate.


A Category M2 vehicle is a vehicle used for the carriage of passengers, comprising more than eight seats in addition to the driver's seat, and having a maximum mass not exceeding 5 tonnes, in other words, what is commonly known as a minibus and requires the driver to hold a Category D1 driving licence.
There is no lower weight applicable. For example, the Transit 12-seat minibus is rated at 3.5t but because it has more than eight passenger seats a D1 licence is required, and it can't be driven on a B, C or C1 Licence.

Unless a Motor Caravan has more than eight passenger seats it's not an M2 Category vehicle, no matter what its GVW.
If your motorhome is listed as M2 on its registration certificate and it has not more than eight passenger seats it's listed wrongly and should be M1. There is no upper weight limit for an M1 vehicle.

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