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That's a serious increase Jamie. Is your van built on an ALKO light or heavy chassis ?


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That's a serious increase Jamie. Is your van built on an ALKO light or heavy chassis ?

Neither it’s the standard chassis not Akko or the Fiat heavy chassis.


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AFAIK the standard FIAT Ducato chassis has a max rating of 3650kg.
For a GVW of 4250kg rear brakes need to be uprated discs, tyres need to be 225/65/16 or thereabouts (16" wheels) and the suspension and axle need to support the lot.
I'm not sure the standard FIAT Ducato axle can actually take all the necessary modifications needed for such and uprated Axle Weight.
Anything from 3850kg upwards is usually an AlKo Chassis
Maybe I'm wrong though 🤔


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AFAIK the standard FIAT Ducato chassis has a max rating of 3650kg.
For a GVW of 4250kg rear brakes need to be uprated discs, tyres need to be 225/65/16 or thereabouts (16" wheels) and the suspension and axle need to support the lot.
I'm not sure the standard FIAT Ducato axle can actually take all the necessary modifications needed for such and uprated Axle Weight.
Anything from 3850kg upwards is usually an AlKo Chassis
Maybe I'm wrong though 🤔

Mine is the standard Fiat chassis. No requirement according to van weight engineering to the brakes, only required semi air to the rear and tyres with a decent load rating to increase from 3650 to 3850 but in my case full 4C VB Aire new wheels and 120/121 tyres are good for 4250.


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My Ducato is rated 4000 kg , I upgraded to 121/120 tyres myself, I'm not aware of any other modification although the spring's , shocks and brakes may be upgraded, it's not an ALKO chassis, 2.3 L engine

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I don't know what size wheels are original fit but if changing from 15" to 16" the final drive ratio will be effected.
Results would be a requirement to recalibrate the speedometer and reduced pulling power on hills with earlier gear changes.
Corrected brake balance also comes into the equation but the company doing the suspension mods should look after that.

The work is a hefty upgrade. An alternative for extra payload is a trailer or [url=

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SMC Space Extender also do lockable fully enclosed versions
If your GVW was 3,500kg HGV tolls and speed limits wouldn't apply.

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I don't know what size wheels are original fit but if changing from 15" to 16" the final drive ratio will be effected.
Results would be a requirement to recalibrate the speedometer and reduced pulling power on hills with earlier gear changes.
Corrected brake balance also comes into the equation but the company doing the suspension mods should look after that.

In my case my original wheels were 16” and I’ve replaced them with 16” wheels. I got my tyres taken off the original Fiat alloys and put on my new alloys.

When I first bought my van the Fiat alloys were good for 1200kg a corner (I believe) recently though Fiat have downgraded the capacity of their wheels to 1000kg a corner. So I would have been able to go from 3650kg to 4000kg without changing the wheels but I wanted the extra payload for peace of mind and got new wheels which are tuv approved to 1350kg a corner.


So I will be getting the paperwork to send to the Irish equivalent of dvla and I should be up plated to 4250. Picture of my original wheels attached.
 


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Jamie, maybe I've missed it but what do you estimate your total payload to be when finished.


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Jamie, maybe I've missed it but what do you estimate your total payload to be when finished.


My van is currently plated at 3650kg.

From van weight engineering; “So again, with these suitably rated wheels fitted, and all our traffic lights showing green, we can go to the MAM limit of 4,250kg.
This should increase your payload capacity from the published 393kg, to approximately 993kg.”

As you appreciate with my payload of slightly under 400kg I’m probably well over when I go for long trips. 993kg is probably overkill but for peace of mind it’s worth it.


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Jamie, maybe I've missed it but what do you estimate your total payload to be when finished.


My van is currently plated at 3650kg.

From van weight engineering; “So again, with these suitably rated wheels fitted, and all our traffic lights showing green, we can go to the MAM limit of 4,250kg.
This should increase your payload capacity from the published 393kg, to approximately 993kg.”

As you appreciate with my payload of slightly under 400kg I’m probably well over when I go for long trips. 993kg is probably overkill but for peace of mind it’s worth it.


That's the way I'd look at it if your going to be using a heavy weight, you may as well have a payload that's suites you and that you and your Motorhome can handle with the least amount of modifications.


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So I sent my paperwork and registration certificate to Shannon dept of transport on Friday 26 of January and on the following Wednesday I received a replacement registration document BUT it is a like for like of my old cert with no weight upgrade. I’ve tried phoning them but I can’t get through to a person.
Just wondering @sprinter etc that have done this did they get a like for like certificate whilst they were processing the up plating request? How long did it take to get the new registration certificate with the up plated weight?

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Email them, civil service not trained in the use of phones but good with email


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So I sent my paperwork and registration certificate to Shannon dept of transport on Friday 26 of January and on the following Wednesday I received a replacement registration document BUT it is a like for like of my old cert with no weight upgrade. I’ve tried phoning them but I can’t get through to a person.
Just wondering @sprinter etc that have done this did they get a like for like certificate whilst they were processing the up plating request? How long did it take to get the new registration certificate with the up plated weight?

No, I sent my info by post on the
18th September and received my new up-plated logbook back on the 24th.

But they are famous for transcribing thd wrong details on Certs. Take a photocopy of the cert for your recorded, send it back with a note indicating that F1should show your new GVW, Scan the whole thing and Email it to them also.
Obviously apologiseing for inconveniencing them.


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Email them, civil service not trained in the use of phones but good with email


Do you have an email address for them?


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Email them, civil service not trained in the use of phones but good with email


Do you have an email address for them?




motortax@transport.gov.ie

Use the closest "subject" to what you looking for


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So I sent my paperwork and registration certificate to Shannon dept of transport on Friday 26 of January and on the following Wednesday I received a replacement registration document BUT it is a like for like of my old cert with no weight upgrade. I’ve tried phoning them but I can’t get through to a person.
Just wondering @sprinter etc that have done this did they get a like for like certificate whilst they were processing the up plating request? How long did it take to get the new registration certificate with the up plated weight?


Why an I not surprised!
I also had an issue with Shannon and the paperwork. It took 2 attempts to get it right.
I communicated with Maria Philips who got it sorted. Her email is Marie.Phillips@transport.gov.ie


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Thank you Mick (Heisenberg) and others.
Following your advice I sent Marie an email. She has said she will get a new (correct) cert sent to me with the 4250 weight and when it arrives send the old one back for her attention.

Great Forum guys, use it or loose it.

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Quote by StrandcampingDoonbeg

So I sent my paperwork and registration certificate to Shannon dept of transport on Friday 26 of January and on the following Wednesday I received a replacement registration document BUT it is a like for like of my old cert with no weight upgrade. I’ve tried phoning them but I can’t get through to a person.
Just wondering @sprinter etc that have done this did they get a like for like certificate whilst they were processing the up plating request? How long did it take to get the new registration certificate with the up plated weight?


Why an I not surprised!
I also had an issue with Shannon and the paperwork. It took 2 attempts to get it right.
I communicated with Maria Philips who got it sorted. Her email is Marie.Phillips@transport.gov.ie


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Following an excellent Thread on This Forum it got me thinking about increasing my MGW.

Start to finish of the process.

Up plating, the max gross vehicle weight.
I have a motorhome it came with a max permissible mass of 3650kg (note I have the required C1 licence) this in theory gave me a payload of 393kg. So all the stuff I carry and all fluids etc had to be < 393kg or I would be overweight.

Being overweight can result in a motoring conviction and possibly invalidate your insurance.

I came to the conclusion I wanted to up my GVW and my payload. I contacted Van Weight Engineering in the UK they asked for various photos, copy of my registration certificate a photo of my weight plate and chassis stamp.

They advised it would be possible to up my GVW as a paper exercise. Depending on certain factors I could go to 4250kg on my 2017 Fiat Ducato Chassis.

The suspension needed rear air bags, the front heavy duty springs or air bags. The tyres needed a suitable load rating, the wheels also be suitably rated. In my case the standard brakes were ok for 4250kg. I had the suitable tyres and airbags front and back but I had to get new wheels as my Fiat alloys would limit me to 4000kg.

I completed the forms sent electronically to me and emailed them back. I paid £275 approximately. They sent my all the forms I needed to post to the DOT at Shannon.

On Friday 26 of January I posted the required completed forms, 1 Engineers Report, 2 Design Weight Certificate and 3 RSA Modifications Report. Along with my Registration Certificate to The department of transport for the attention of a named person that Van Weight suggested.

On Thursday 1 of February I received a replacement registration certificate, reference however this was a duplicate of the one I had posted to them.

On 7 of February I emailed the contact at the Department of Transport who said she would issue the revised registration certificate with the new Permissible Mass (F1) of 4250kg. It was originally rated at 3650kg GVW.

There was no charge for changing the registration certificate.

On Monday 12 of February I received the new and correct Registration Certificate.

Van weight have posted me a new stick on metal plate for the engine bay.

I now have a payload of nearly 1000kg so I can eat some more pies without worrying.

I have to say Van Weight Engineering were very easy to deal with. van weight engineering also help with Down Plating but I do not know the process that is involved.


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That's a good payload you have now Jamie, plenty of room for a bottle or two of wine on the way home 😁


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833 bottles approx :happy:

I’ll need a roof rack then as the garage will be full.

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833 bottles approx :happy:


Or a Dog sitter, or maybe a Chef to make the pies 😏.


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