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Posted: 10.08.2022  ·  #1
Yesterday my mh failed its annual roadworthiness test as a result of its parking brake only achieving a 10% efficiency result.
An efficiency rating of at least 16% is required for a pass result.
Definitely a 'not fit for purpose' test.
Click the link below to see a 'real life' test recorded outside the test center immediately after.

https://youtube.com/shorts/LiArkWvpf7E

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Posted: 10.08.2022  ·  #2
Alko chassis?


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Posted: 10.08.2022  ·  #3
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Alko chassis?


Yes, I'm told by a tester that Sprinters also have the same problem, apparently, it's down to the small drum-type parking brake being tested as a stopping brake.


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Posted: 10.08.2022  ·  #4
Jack and Maurice have had a nightmare. Maurice used to buy all new rear brake sot get it through each year.

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I've had problems getting mine through from its first MOT. In the past testers have hit the brake pedal to pass it but they have been stricter these last few years. I've tried everything and found that if you lengthened the bar that the cables are attached to (ones that come from handbrake handle) you get an extra couple of percent. I've changed drums and pads with very little gain. Because its double axle I think there is a bigger problem. When I disconnected one of the axles I could do handbrake turns. Because there are 6 wheels they won't let me disconnect one set as it has to be 50% of the wheels braking on the parking brake

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Posted: 10.08.2022  ·  #6
As said, the underlying problem is they're using test equipment designed to measure breaking efficiency instead of equipment designed to measure the holding efficiency.
The clue is in the name PARKING BRAKE.
It is not brake designed to bring the vehicle to a halt in any circumstances.


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Posted: 10.08.2022  ·  #7
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Yesterday my mh failed its annual roadworthiness test as a result of its parking brake only achieving a 10% efficiency result.
An efficiency rating of at least 16% is required for a pass result.
Definitely a 'not fit for purpose' test.
Click the link below to see a 'real life' test recorded outside the test center immediately after.

https://youtube.com/shorts/LiArkWvpf7E


That's shocking Colin. Anyone can see that there is nothing wrong with your handbrake. I had exactly same problem a couple of years ago. I took it back for testing two days later without touching anything and it passed. So work that one out. Just wanted the re-test fee as far as I could see. Took it to a different test centre this year and it passed first time and the handbrake still hadn't been touched.

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I am well aware the testing method leaves a lot to be desired, but when was the last time your handbrake was serviced or adjusted,if yours is the same as the Sprinter,these couple of video's might help. The second one, I don't know why the guy did it with so much noise around, but it's a very good explanation/demo.





My sprinter tested at 19,6% my old one was always up in the low 20%


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Posted: 10.08.2022  ·  #9
@sprinter
I am well aware the resting method leaves a lot to be desired, but when was the last time your handbrake was serviced or adjusted,

Considering that it has been demonstrated that it can more or less cling the vehicle to the ground the service and adjacent history is a moot point

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Posted: 31.08.2022  ·  #10
Got a Pass last week :D
Got the mechanism 'softened' a bit to reduce the snatching effect and took the mh back for a re-test.
During the retest, I saw the rear axle being chained down which is against the RSA's own written procedures for testing motor caravans which says
Brake performance testing on all Motor Caravans (including those over 3,500 kgs tested in a
HGV Test Lane) will be carried out on the basis of the weight presented as per the current Light
Goods Vehicle (LGV) brake performance tes
t. It will not be necessary to present a weight docket
for the purpose of undergoing brake performance testing.


I contacted The RSA pointing out what their own written procedure sets out in relation to the testing of motor caravan brakes asking for their take on what happened and this is their reply
There has been no change in the methods used to test brake performance on motor caravans since 2010. If necessary, the load simulator may be used to “hold” an axle in the rollers during a brake test to assist the tester in obtaining the required brake efficiency or the maximum efficiency available on the vehicle. However, no load must be imposed on an axle by the simulator during this process, the equipment is used to just hold the axle in the rollers, as vehicles sometimes have the tendency to kick out of the brake tester before the required efficiency is achieved.
The above confirms to me that there is some kind of inherent problem with getting a realistic efficiency value using the published method and it is down to the initiative of a tester to employ the 'holding down' equipment used for commercial HGV's to overcome the phenomenon of the rear axle 'kicking out' prematurely.
The above begs the question, how many false fails are there?

I followed up with a further email in which I queried if presenting the vehicle for test empty or loaded with the usual sh1te we carry around makes any difference and there is their answer to that
The presented weight of a vehicle will not increase the available brake effort on a vehicle or the result of a brake test. However, additional axle weight may make it easier to achieve the required brake efficiency or the maximum efficiency available on the vehicle by holding the axle in the rollers. Provided of course the presented axle weights do not exceed the manufacturer`s design weights.

So, in a nutshell, emptying out all the 'stuff', as I've been doing for years is a waste of time, just take it in making sure it's not overweight either in total or per axle.
I hope the foregoing will help someone else avoid having to go through the pain and expense of a retest following an avoidable parking brake fail


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