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Posted: 22.12.2012  ·  #1
Hi All, Just heard on the radio news on Thursday that there is talk of Pay & Display Parking in Howth Harbour. In the report, local businesses and the Yacht Club etc are not at all happy.

Fisheries Dept say they need to do it for the continuing development of the harbour.

This will be a disaster for us motorhomers. :(

I have already emailed my local TD with my total dissatisfaction of this issue and i am awaiting response. O-)

Motorhomes leave a lot of money here at weekends and the harbour master, local businesses, Garda & residents all welcome us here.

June 2012 Bank Holiday 22 Motorhomes & Tall Ships Weekend over 40 Motorhomes

Pay & Display parking will kill this.

What do you think ???


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Posted: 22.12.2012  ·  #2
I suppose it depends on what the charge will be, personally I don't mind paying if I am getting something in return? fresh Water/Waste disposal. I think if it is more than €5 a day it will put people off which of course means the business's will lose money.

What do others think?


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Posted: 22.12.2012  ·  #3
Howth is a great spot and this could be a big problem for motorhomes.
I have never seen the Pier (where the motorhomes park up) full but I am sure it is at times.

Perhaps the local authority need to be made aware of the potential of putting an Aire (of sorts) in place where there could be dedicated spots for motorhomes away from the car parking.

If you are in contact with them make sure they dont deal with the motorhome association as IMHO they have failed to advise on requirements correctly on any Aire to date.


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Posted: 22.12.2012  ·  #4
Dissapointed to read this, there are many issues that you do not understand, I do hope sometime we get a chance to meet so I can help you understand better, years ago I had difficulty in getting to grips with all that happens and more importantly why. The motorhomes association is the only way to make things really happen. Believe me!
I'll buy you a beer and we will talk, I like your enthusiasm, reminds me of me some years ago, but there a protocol or it goes nowhere, been at this since 1999, with some sucess in spite of the odds . Unfortunate the dreaded work gets in the way a bit.


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Posted: 22.12.2012  ·  #5
the mhome association might be the way to go but not in its present form.
for example they want nothing to do with this forum as they think we are a crowd of drinking rowdy people.
they only want to represent CLUB members?? but yet the biggest club in Ireland will not endorse them???
i tried to forward their good work and despite permission from their chairperson it turned into a farce as the others involved wanted no one to know their deeds.

motorhomers are many and varied, from ralliers,wildcampers, site users, touring types and so the list goes on.
a truly representitive body will speak for all and provide guidance and information for councils or individuals who take the brave step of wanting to provide an aire in their locality. i was speaking with locals from ddee who said the one quid token would never make money, but its not supposed to, its the mhomers using the facility of the aire to then spend their money in the town or village.

everyone has their part to play. speak with local business people and councils. when you park up, use local shops etc and let them know your a mhomer and if there were places to park a lot more would use their town/village.

back to topic, howth is a great example of mhomers assisting local economies. i have always been made feel very welcome there and use local cafes/shops along with the many other mhomers. as for charging, as ally said if its a few quid or so, gladly pay it and further assist the area. but i fear it might be those in local power who may see a quick way to get extra money for no further outlay. remember, most councillors think we are like caravans and require electric and all the facilities provided on a campsite so feel huge sums of money need to be spent. for example buncranna councillors looked at campsites so have 3 ehu but no where to empty your toilet. they now hope to provide this when refurbing the site. again no one known by them to help and assist and provide information and guidelines.

we need....
allowed to park overnight
fresh water tap and waste disposal
everything else is icing on the cake.

lets all pull together and move forward,make your voice heard wherever you can, and maybe we can advance the work the mhome association has started.


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Posted: 22.12.2012  ·  #6
I was in the middle of posting a reply to Willie and then thought " why bother" so I deleted it.

The motorhome association will contine to carry on in the same manor they have up until now...
All the best to them....

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Posted: 22.12.2012  ·  #7
howth is probably one of the motorhome friendliest places i have used.

would be a sin if it was hijacked by fees or freeloaders or who ever.

we need to find out who is pushing for the pay and display and then if the charge is reasonable or genuinely set to discourage motorhomers.


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Posted: 27.12.2012  ·  #8
Pay & Display Charge will be for the whole harbour area. It will be for All vehicles.
Motorhomes, cars, vans, buses & lorries. The buzz at the weekends is fantastic
A complete disaster for everyone.
Will update topic when my local politician gives feedback.


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Posted: 07.01.2013  ·  #9
No update yet! Local T.D. Must still be on his christmas holidays. Not bad hey ! :( :(


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Posted: 09.01.2013  ·  #10
we are going to stay here on sat 12th if anyone else there come over and say hello :coolgun: :love:


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Posted: 09.01.2013  ·  #11
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we are going to stay here on sat 12th if anyone else there come over and say hello :coolgun: :love:


Would of done, but Pappa's Birthday :)


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HAPPY BIRTHDAY Dennis 21 again


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Posted: 02.02.2013  ·  #13
Folks an update for news on parking fees been introduced in Howth Harbour.
HERE Serious concerns in Howth at proposed Harbour parking charges.
Well worth reading for an up to date position on same. :(


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Posted: 03.02.2013  ·  #14
lets hope the local businesses win this one but trying to beat the numnuts in the banana republic of dail eireann could be hard 🇧🇭 🇧🇭


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Posted: 25.02.2013  ·  #15
anyone know the latest on Howth?


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Posted: 25.02.2013  ·  #16
13 February 2013 Update! Only Howth Harbour will have parking fees imposed.
Some very disappointing news on www.tommybroughan.com :(
Looks like the idea of the Gathering 2013 Tourism Drive has been lost.
I have written to both Minister for Tourism & Agriculture to register my disappointment this negative idea will do to tourism in general in Howth Harbour.
Will update on any feedback !


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Posted: 25.02.2013  ·  #17
That's not good news, any idea what the charge will be?


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Posted: 25.02.2013  ·  #18
Ally, no word yet of charges to be imposed. On a recent visit we noticed enhanced parking bays and pedestrian walkways. Looks like well on the way for parking fees.. Only items missing are the Pay & Display Paying Machines.
Greystones here we come O-)


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Posted: 26.02.2013  ·  #19
Hi Declan was having a quick read at this post Parking at Greystones is this pretty much still the situation?

Like quite a few MHs on here, we used Howth as a base for Dublin city, availing of the Dart service. From what I've read this would be just as practial to do from Greystones. Do you know if folk leave their vans there unattended during the day?

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Posted: 26.02.2013  ·  #20
Hi John,
Greystones Harbour is much smaller than Howth. Room maybe for 6 vans parked beside Harbour Masters Office. Have only seen 2/3 vans at a time there myself. Nice pub close bye. I have parked up overnight with no problems and have gone for walks along cliff face to Bray with no problems
Dart station 5 minutes walk away. :up: .


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Posted: 27.02.2013  ·  #21
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Greystones here we come O-)


Greystones is a cracker of a spot, as you say - great pub! also great cafe for a fry/ice cream, I must visit it again soon.


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Posted: 28.02.2013  ·  #22
I wish to address the comments written by your contributors mark and bob. This reply is not the view of the motorhome association but my personal observation. Firstly the chair of the motorhome association ( my wife ) has devoted many years of her hard work and time to lobbying on behalf of motorhome owners both individual and club members with great success. Mark was asked to attend I such meeting and from what I understand stamped his foot like a 4year old because he didn't get what he wanted bob and I discussed motorhome matters at work and I am surprised at what he wrote in his post. I will not embarrass him by posting what he said to me but he can ring me and I will remind him personally. The MCCNI were invited to join the M A but internal wrangling in their club means indecision. I know I used to be a member ah well their loss. Now to get to the important stuff the association had a meeting in the Dail yesterday with THE TOURISM MINISTER. Yes that's right the tourism minister along with the assistant tourist secretary to address the lack of facilities the recognition of our form of tourism and our representation on the camping and caravan council who in the north and south seem to be the blockage to further progress. Now on that subject. Port rush 21serviced sites Donaghadee Aire in place and by laws re written parking address at a further meeting last week car parks in strangford identified for parking to be made legal and a notice of motion into council for this to happen. Other councils working on aires /parking etc etc . Just one other thing the cost for these meetings I finance this myself not the clubs the government. In conclusion mark and bob whose motor homes are barely run in should consider people's feelings before assassinating hard workink lobbyists who work on your behalf and consider the amount of money time and grief they have devoted on your behalf Chris and I do not even have a motorhome at present but this has not stopped her doing the job the associatin tasked her to do. One final thought you get nothing stamping your foot like a child. It takes hard work convincing the right people and pressure and follow up to change a mindset not arrant on a web site. I think an apology and retraction are in order


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Hi All, Just heard on the radio news on Thursday that there is talk of Pay & Display Parking in Howth Harbour. In the report, local businesses and the Yacht Club etc are not at all happy.

Fisheries Dept say they need to do it for the continuing development of the harbour.

This will be a disaster for us motorhomers. :(

I have already emailed my local TD with my total dissatisfaction of this issue and i am awaiting response. O-)

Motorhomes leave a lot of money here at weekends and the harbour master, local businesses, Garda & residents all welcome us here.

June 2012 Bank Holiday 22 Motorhomes & Tall Ships Weekend over 40 Motorhomes

Pay & Display parking will kill this.

What do you think ???


Surely a reasonably priced "pay & display" option is better than height barriers and F-off signs for motorhomes?


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Posted: 28.02.2013  ·  #24
bq125rex, as you seem to be involved in the Motorhome Association there is one thing which I personally feel would be of benefit to all Motorhomers whether or not thier motorhome is "run in", let us know who the Motorhome Association is and exactly what you are doing on behalf of everyone. This way people may not be as critical of you and others would be able to possibly support you in your various quests in whichever part of the country they live in. Some people may know the association through various clubs etc. but I for one dont join clubs and have not been able to find out anything about you or what you stand for and what you are doing to improve the profile of motorhoming as both a recreational hobby and the tourist potential it can offer the country as a whole. While it is excellent that you have provided the various bodies with the information necessary to make the decission to open the aires to date and ammend the by-laws, instead of being quiet about it, shout it from the roof tops, get the press involved and promote the association and the good work it is doing and then others will listen to you more intently after all all politicians love to be involvled in positive press.


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Posted: 28.02.2013  ·  #25
OK. Here goes.

I thank bq125rex for his input.

May I begin by issuing a public apology for anything I have said in the past which has upset any member of the Motorhome association. This was not my intention at all.

I am glad you have posted as from the post by the fat controller you can see that the point I made to the association is true. People would probably be offering help to the association if they were aware of who they were and what they do.

You must also be aware that I offered to develop and maintain a website for the association where information they wanted to display would be available to who ever was interested. I explained that this would eliminate the current mis-information circulating.

So perhaps the Motorhome association would be kind enough to answer questions about their identity and work. This may prevent any future upsetting comments.

There is no chance of me "stamping my foot like a four year old" for the time being as I have no intention of offering any further support while the association is in its current disjointed format. I have retained all email communication with the association (many which were not intended for me but were sent by your wife by mistake) if you need any further clarification or confirmation of my comments. I also have a hand written note from the association chairperson which says "mark do what you like" but it seems when I do I offend certain people.

As someone with a Motorhome which is barely run in I am able to identify several crucial errors in the set up of aires already operating. Perhaps some advice should be given during the design and build stage also. (Just a thought)
May I conclude by adding that the association have done sterling work over the years and have achieved results which all Motorhomers across Ireland will benefit from for a long time. I was only too happy to assist in the promotion of this work as it should known by all Motorhome owners in Ireland. May you continue to go from strength to strength.


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Surely a reasonably priced "pay & display" option is better than height barriers and F-off signs for motorhomes?


(See my second post to this thread.)

I think you are right, but all depends on the charge, €5 per night for facilities like water and toilet emptying would be fine. But if they go over that charge it may cause problems.


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As Minister Coveney seems to have had his mind made up for him re charges at Howth, could the local councillors pool their political clout and endeavour to rescue something positive from this situation? I refer to a possibility to get motorhome parking bays serviced with water and EHU and grey waste disposal site made available specifically for motorhomes? A type of Aire which I personally would have no problem paying €10 a night for!


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A type of Aire which I personally would have no problem paying €10 a night for!


Nor me! What you suggest would be perfect.


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Posted: 28.02.2013  ·  #29
If you are talking EHU as well, then €10 would suit me. But fresh water and sluice would suffice.


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Posted: 28.02.2013  ·  #30
Reference posts from bq125rex (Brian) and Mark.

I know a little of went on at the meeting in question, it was I who put forward Mark and Bob as representatives of Motorhomecraic.

Without getting into what was said or what wasn't said, I would like to make this point.

The Motorhome Association do fantastic work, no one has any doubt about that. But the frustration amongst Motorhomers is created by their lack of understanding of who/what the Motorhome Association are. A lot of Motorhomers would like to help in any way they can and feel frustrated that they cannot.

I will go a little way to maybe explain why this is.

The Motorhome Association from what I can see/hear, yes I am in contact with them, have very little choice but to keep things to themselves until they are finalised and agreed by all parties, it is the nature of the way things are done. The MA do not purposely hide any details from Motorhomer's but are unable to make the details public.

I don't think anyone would disagree what the MA have been doing has been to the benefit of Motorhomers throughout Ireland North & South and all Motorhomers should be grateful with the work that has been going on behind the scenes, I know I am.

I hope that bq125rex(Brian) comes back on here, or indeed Christine or anyone to do with the MA and keeps us informed on what they can. I get emails from the MA but I do not have permission to share, so will not do that.

If we all work together on this and don't be so quick to judge on either side perhaps we could move things forward.

Brian: Motorhomers are here to help with anything the MA needs.


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Motorhome Association.
1.Who are They.
2.Where do they operate from.
3.Are they a club.
4.Have we elected them to speak on behalf of all Motorhomers.
5. Perhaps the post coder will open up and tell me.

Will someone enlighten me as I have not voted or been asked to vote for a chairperson or comittee member of the Motorhome Association. Or do I need to join it first.????

Dont want to get involved with the previous heated discussion but I would like to know who the MA is and who is supposed to be representing Motorhomers. :up:


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Well said Ally :up:


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Posted: 28.02.2013  ·  #33
Colin, they are more mysterious than the Masonic. If they tell you they may have to kill you :lol:


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Posted: 28.02.2013  ·  #34
No they are not more secret than the masons and anyone who uses any of the recently acquired aires or parking facilities in the province has the chair and members to thank. If you wish to find out and are in any club in ireland your chair or pro officer will have the details unless you are in the MCCNI who are far too important to bother with people who give up their spare time on all of your behalf. By the way the motorhome association have gained access to the tourism minister who set up a motorhome forum which was attended by 48interested parties in a conference at the Stormont hotel. NITB are now rolling out motorhome tourism around the province. Yesterday we attended a meeting in the Dail with the republics tourist minister with the offer of a high level meeting with Failte ireland sponsored by his office. So enjoy your free stays at aires the M A will work on your behalf while you moan and winge


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Posted: 28.02.2013  ·  #35
Ally I appreciate your support the clubs and individual members who make up the MA are kept informed of every event that takes place . If you are not a member you are out of the loop MCCNI members refused to join so are not part of the negotiations. We cannot go into parliament north and south with dozens of people so we ask for each club to supply a member rep if you are not a member you are not in simples I hope your members enjoy the fruits of our labours regards Brian


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Posted: 28.02.2013  ·  #36
Brian, you missed the irony in my post and didn't read fully what I had stated earlier....I don't join clubs, this is an open forum and not a club as Ally will tell you. That's why not only me but others would like to know who this apparent mysterious organisation is. I'm not having a go at what you are or who you are but enquiring into it as you never know I may have some knowledge or skill set which could be put to use within the motorhome association because I feel we are all interested in the same subject, motorhoming.

Also if you still feel that I and the others who would like to know more about the MA are moaners and whingers because of our curiosity then that's up to you and we can leave it at that.


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Posted: 28.02.2013  ·  #37
why the attack on me brian?
my only input was asking permission to post a report,which was read over by your wife and agreed to post, i then published exactly as agreed then all of a sudden it was not be published.
I attended as a craic rep not mccni, i dont represent them, i just update their website.
as for just having the van run in are you now saying you have to be a seasoned mhomer to use facilities fought hard for by the mhome association?
in my short time mhoming i have secured a few overnight stops, its not hard you just ask and if they agree there you go.
i am not involved in any underhand work or running the assoc down, look back over the topics here and you will see i dont get involved.

heres the bottom line, anyone with a mhome can park/use any facility available, regardless of club membership, forum membership or length of time mhoming.
Craic is not a club, its a forum.
and i am a motorhomer, taxed and insured,and able to roam.


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Posted: 28.02.2013  ·  #38
just fed up being pilloried for working on other peoples behalf and having to explain myself
there is no secret members are informed after every move forward by e mail. the clubs are the thumb screw by virtue of numbers we also have individual members. I believe i always kept you abreast while talking in work

I took exception about the quip regarding the MCCNI who refused to send reps also that we regard you all at the craic as beer swillers the only reference i can attribute to that was that you informed us that a 24/7 party animal was intent on having a party at donaghadee aire contrary to the aire rules. your words not mine brian


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Posted: 28.02.2013  ·  #39
i attended one meeting, agreed a plan, was retracted, i have stepped back
i have no axe to grind with anyone
if you have issues with clubs/forums etc thats not my doing.

this topic was about howth harbour and now seems to be about who done what etc

lets get back to mhoming issues.
maybe start another topic ref mhome assoc and people can ask questions, ideas etc there.

i know the issues regarding gaining acess and use etc, i was involved for many years trying to get forest access for mountainbiking, only now just coming to fruition.


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dear mr controller

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Posted: 28.02.2013  ·  #40
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