If it had fresh batteries and the price was right it would be worth considering,
Apart from winding back the brake pistons (brake service ) every 2 years or so there is no servicing as such from what I have heard from a friend that has a 2014 Nissan twig
I’m not sure that’s 100% correct Ally. If they can prove to your satisfaction that the batteries have been replaced, then maybe. Otherwise no. Make sure you get a good deal, they have poor residual value at the moment
eirebus
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I’m not sure that’s 100% correct Ally. If they can prove to your satisfaction that the batteries have been replaced, then maybe. Otherwise no. Make sure you get a good deal, they have poor residual value at the moment
It's true, you pay a monthly premium to Renault, if the batteries fail they replace them.
Ally
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Gender: Location: Muckamore, Antrim Age: 55 Homepage:motorhomecraic.com Posts: 32648 Registered: 08 / 2011 My Motorhome: Lunar Roadstar 780 Base Vehicle: Fiat 2.8 JTD
So if you buy a second hand electric Renault you are still stuck paying monthly for a battery. If they ensure it has min 75% capacity up to 10 years old, how does that become 60% after 10 years. Surely it would have been changed.
So basically if it’s at 76% at 10 years and drops to 61% in 3 months ( quite possible over a winter) you are still paying monthly for your battery.
I still remain unconvinced
eirebus
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Rounding figures battery rental is about €1300 pa , where as the Leaf etc give an 8 year guarantee for free ,big difference
@mad max winding back the brakes ???
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Yes, brake caliper require pistons winding back to fit new brake pads. Same as many petrol cars too. Some vehicles require a diagnosis computer to do it, not sure about the leaf.
Servicing the brakes Dave,
It includes pushing back the pistons,
Cleaning & small dab of copper slip to pad pad holders/calipers and the sliders have to be free also,
Takes about half hour a wheel to do which is well worth it in my opinion as its easier to do it when planned than getting stuck on the road
eirebus
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Gender: Location: kildare Posts: 7599 Registered: 10 / 2011 My Motorhome: Dethleffs Advantage Base Vehicle: Fiat 2.3
I changed the rear brake pads on a friend's 2012 LEAF and they were exactly the same to push back as any other calipers. We also changed the fluid at the same time and again no difference compared to a normal car.
His batteries are quite shot btw. If you are planning to buy an used LEAF I would aim for the 2013+ models which have a much better battery chemistry than the first models. Distinquisable my foot operated parking brake (as opposed to electric) and most have black interior instead of light coloured one on the original version.
Can you replace dud cells in the battery bank or is it a complete bank change ,( not talking about Renault )
I know it can be done in a Prius. Friend of mine got one cheap because of battery issues, he took a chance and bought it. 06 I think. Turned out it had one bad cell, he was able to get one on eBay, he changed it himself. He is an auto electrician though.
He bought another with similar issues (07 or 08), not as lucky with this one as I think he had to take it apart two or three times to change cells in it.
Ally
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It really depends on what car it is, the condition and mileage. I have been driving Hybrids and PHEVs since 2013. It is still early adopter stuff and the technology and range is improving all the time.
Plenty of Toyota Prius hybrids around (most reliable tech) but also quite a few older Nissan Leafs too. The state of the battery can render the car a write off - in my previous car, the cost of replacing the battery was £9k but I think Mercedes offered a longer guarantee up to 8-years.
Only experience of a Renault Zoe was a lady who parked beside me at the Boulevard chargepoint at Banbridge and couldn't get it to charge (recent purchase) - I tried too but the electrics seemed to be playing up. On that basis I would only buy something like this is if it still under manufacturers warranty.
The battery modules in general can be changed one by one. There is a crowd in UK that for £1500 will recondition the Nissan pack to at least 90% state of health by replacing all the weak ones. Typically a handful will fail prematurely and by replacing those the car will again have a range very close to when it was new. Another alternative is to get all of the cells replaced with better ones which will result in the car having better range than when it was new. You can for example upgrade your old 24 kWh car to 40 kWh if you can stomach the cost.
The early Nissan/Renault Fluence cells were just not very hard wearing in EV use. All of the later chemistries are much better. The ones in Zoe are very good for example.
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