1999 Ducato glow plug control relay box

There will be a meet soon. Have a sneak around when everyone is in the pub
Seriously though, I would have thought that a scrapyard might be worth a call. Also I think there is a crowd in Poland that do a lot of Ducato parts. Maybe somebody knows that site

Try this guy;
Martin Laffan Stradbally, Co. Laois. 0502 - 25342.
He a breaker for vans and light commercial stuff.
Malcolm.

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Try coastalmotorhomes.co.uk, they are very good for fiat parts.

Just thought I'd let you know how I got on looking for Glow Plug Control Box......Couldn't get one from any of the breakers, North and South. They are no longer available from Fiat either. I ended up getting a plug and play aftermarket kit fro Ebay Germany....A bit pricey at 180 Euro but had to have it. It's less complicated than the original Fiat jobbie, It's timer controlled where as the Fiat unit was Temp controlled and more things to go wrong. Anyway, It's all buttoned up in place now and all seem's good with the hour or so test drive.....Sorted!

Great to see that you got sorted.
A pity that you had to find an international aftermarket part instead of a dealer supplying it.
There's a frost morning or two coming later in the week. That will test your glow plugs, a good cold frosty start.
Malcolm

Tell me about it .....Hopefully get a few more years out of the auld girl yet!

This all is a bit strange unless you have some kind of immobiliser fitted, most starters are wired the same on all engines
The solenoid mounted on top of the starter has two large 8mm connections 13mm spanner and one 6mm/ 8mm spanner or a push on connector.
The lower will be connected to the starter with a short lead going into the body, it is always connected when you buy the starter.
The upper8mm is connected to the battery with a long lead and is live at all times. if you connected this to earth you probably would have blown up the battery. This is the reason the battery earth lead should always be disconnected before you remove a starter.
The small one is the feed from the ignition switch to operate the solenoid and will only be live when the key is turned.
There may be an earth lead connected to one the mounting bolts and then to the chassis, it can also be linked to the engine block.
Follow the cables and see if you have an immobiliser fitted.

I would totally agree with jjf.
If you feel comfortable in doing the wiring as described in the previous posts.
The small wire on the solenoid is the switching wire, but leave it off, but not touching anything. Check your ignition switches on, before replacing the wire.
My thinking, is that maybe your ignition key is worn and the contacts are not been made in the key barrel. Use a spare key if you have one.
Malcolm
Ps, get your battery checked, a dying battery will have poor cranking power.

Couple on ebay...

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I've attached some images for general info but also to add detail as I'm looking for more pointers to diagnose issue.
I had the starter wired correctly but given the problem I though I must have done something wrong, hence the questions about fuses etc.
Anyway, have pulled the battery out and gone searching and found the following (everything has been loosed from the bulkhead so I could check things out so the attached pics don't have them in correct position!!).
In PIC1 there is the biggest fuse I can find, yellow arrow, its 175A and just crosses the live wire. This was fine.
In PIC2, just above the Battery the green box (yellow arrow) has 2 30A fuses, these also fine.
In PIC3, a couple of things going on here that I'm not sure of.
The Green arrow points to what could be a 70A breaker (also highlighted in PIC1)??
The Yellow arrow points to a grey wire coming from this that's disconnected and looks like it used to have a fuse in its tubular connection, not sure what this does.

So, to further describe the issues, I made sure everything was wired up correctly, turned the key in the ignition to position 1 and all electrics worked fine; hazards, lights, radio, and dash, no ignition element light on and all looks good.
I throw the ignition to start and all goes dead, no electrics at all, no lights, no dash lights, etc.
If I disconnect and reconnect the battery everything is back, can turn key to ignition position 1, lights work, etc.etc. but as soon as I try and start the whole lot dies.
So I took the battery out and tested it, 12.67ishV so as far as I know that's fine, put it on trickle charge over night anyway and its charge is fine.
Took starter out and wired it up to a battery to test and its fine, solenoid pushes arm out and wheel spins.
So the fact that all electrics are fine until I try and start, at which point the whole lot goes, seems like there's a breaker, maybe that 70A 1 pictured with the green arrow?
Any helpful thoughts welcome but could it be that this 70A unit is knackered or there is some other short in the system and this is only doing what it should be doing?

Add to this you will get the same effect if your main battery connections or chassis earth is bad. Take off the connections clean wire brush/Emery paper. Follow the earth lead down to the chassis disconnect and clean making sure you have clean bare metal to metal contact and the bolt is tight.
Have you tried jump starting it.
Where are you based?

Thought I had it but back to square 1....
Tested the battery as suggested, double checked connections and cleaned, tried jump starting and did the ignition bypass stuff but still no go.
Last test proved ignition was fine so connected the ignition wire back to the starter and tried again to start the engine and guess what....it started.
However, at this stage the battery was sitting on the ground connected with jump leads and all relays etc. were just dangling in the engine bay.
Let the engine run for a while while I had a cuppa before I would go at putting all back together...
Turned off the engine and tried starting it again and was fine...
So turned off engine to set about putting everything back in its place.
Upon completion of putting everything back together I tried starting and immediately back to square 1, no start and all electrics tripping!!!!
I've since worked out that its the relay HDREL1 LP1101 that's tripping (green arrow in images).
When the trip happens if I pull the positive lead off the replay and put back on the electrics come back.
So I suppose the question is, does this sound like the relay is knackered (not expensive to change this relay) or is the relay working fine and just catching a bigger problem (as its designed to do)?
Given that I got the unexpected start this morning when I had it all wired correctly, that suggests to me its a problem with the relay, it just intermittently worked this morning.
I'll go get a replacement and see.
I'm also wondering on this relay, as mentioned by Thorn123, PIN 86 is a 12V switching signal but is disconnected, the yellow arrow in PIC3 shows it, the grey cable.
It seems that it may be missing a fuse, think it might be 15A but assuming it has to cause some issue otherwise why is it there yet not connected!!
Anyway, thanks again to all for struggling through my posts and throwing ideas my way, appreciated..

P.S. Just to respond to sprinter, I'm based on Longford/Westmeath border about 25 mins from Mullingar!!!

My instinct would to change the relay.
I reckon that it is a standard 4 or 5 pin, 12 volt relay which can be got for €7 or €8 in any motor factors.
There should be a shop open on Friday or Saturday morning.
I have came across sticking relay in electrical circuit before, that if you tip or move they function again until the next time.
Regarding the 86 pin/ grey wire, that's beyond me.
Malcolm

Good to hear...Nothing better than sorting out niggly electrical problem's....Enjoy!

Gavster....That relay looks like it fit's your van....Good price too. I had the same issue, the clicking was driving me nuts even though the van drove perfectly It was a relief having the new relay installed

Right...The ebay listing say's it fits your model but the 2 relays are different in size and terminal points? I would contact him first as you say and get confirmation it fits.

I'm sure it'll be fine.....It states it fits your model so all should be good,