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Posted: 19.05.2017  ·  #1
So I recently bought a campervan in the Netherlands.
I thought I had all the paperwork, tried to get it passed the VRT. Guess what, I don't have a certificate of Conformity.
Trying to get it out of the guy I bought it from, no joy.
Tried to get it from Ford Netherlands, no joy either, they tell me its an Italian camper.
Try to get it from Ford Italy, yeah, you guessed it, the lack of joy is getting me down really.

Can anyone help me out or point me in the right direction?


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Posted: 19.05.2017  ·  #2
Who made the Motorhome in Italy.


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Posted: 19.05.2017  ·  #3
Or maybe a CVRT test centre


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Posted: 19.05.2017  ·  #4
You shouldn't need a CoC if the vehicle was previously registered.
from Revenue s own site:

Required Vehicle Registration Documents
Unregistered Vehicles

An unregistered vehicle will only be registered on production of the appropriate EU Type Approval Documentation - European Community Whole Vehicle Type-Approval (ECWVTA) Certificate of Conformity (COC), Individual Vehicle Approval (IVA) or National Small Series Type-Approval (NSSTA).

The manufacturer should be contacted regarding a COC, and the NSAI should be contacted regarding IVA or NSSTA.

Previously Registered Vehicles

A previously registered vehicle will only be registered on production of a foreign certificate of registration, a certificate of permanent exportation or a certificate of de-registration. Other documentation such as a salvage certificate will not be accepted for registration purposes. If you have not got one of these documents, you should contact the registration authority of the State from which the vehicle was imported (or in the case of vehicles coming from the UK, the Driver and Vehicle Licensing AgencyExternal link)


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Posted: 20.05.2017  ·  #5
The main points that need to be explained are,
- the age of the vehicle,
- the type of campervan,
- was the van converted after it's first registration,
- was the conversion done by a competent company.

Most of the above info is partially correct.
All motorised vehicle need type approval to get a certificate of conformity in order to register the vehicle within the EU. This was first introduced in 2012 on a phased basis throughout the EU. The uk implemented this in late 2013 where as here in the south the implementation didn't happen until Oct 2014.
If your camper is pre 2012, as far as I know there is no requirement for a CoC.
If your camper was originally a commercial van converted since 2012 and done by a non type approved body builder you are in trouble.
However the key to this mystery is to find the date when the camper was completed by the Italian company and approach them for duplicate paperwork. Also keep pressure on the previous owner for copy of previous registration, or mot/ doe cert, export licence, etc. Refuse no paperwork.


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Posted: 24.05.2017  ·  #6
Hi Everyone,

Thank you for your help with this.
1. The campervan is from 1996.
2. Its an actual motorhome that was built as a motorhome, it was never a conversion.
3. It was imported from Italy to the Netherlands and then I purchased it from the Netherlands. I've first contacted the Netherlands and couldn't get anything from them as they said it was an Italian Import. I've tried contacting Ford in Italy and been getting the run around.
4. Thanks for suggesting the Certification company, I got onto them and they don't do CoC's for motorhomes :(
5. The Revenue are looking for the CoC because they won't register it without it.


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Posted: 24.05.2017  ·  #7
Kismet where are you based


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Posted: 24.05.2017  ·  #8
It's a long shot but try give these a ring and explain what you're looking for. English speaking Contact numbers in the link https://www.eurococ.eu/en/contact-us

It's worth a try anyway.

I tried to do it manually but I dont have all the details of you're van. eg Vin number Etc.


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Posted: 24.05.2017  ·  #9
Try D&M truck engineering based in Kilcullen Co. Kildare. They are a test centre who do type approval and certification for nasi. They also have a certified engineering division. They are the guys who declare a vehicle roadworthy after crash repairs and insurance write off.
My opinion is the person in revenue who your are dealing with is misinformed, as I am 99% certain that a CoC is not required for a pre 2012 reg vehicle. What they should be looking for is confirmation that the vehicle is a proper motorhome , not a commercial vehicle.


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Try D&M truck engineering based in Kilcullen Co. Kildare. They are a test centre who do type approval and certification for nasi. They also have a certified engineering division. They are the guys who declare a vehicle roadworthy after crash repairs and insurance write off.
My opinion is the person in revenue who your are dealing with is misinformed, as I am 99% certain that a CoC is not required for a pre 2012 reg vehicle. What they should be looking for is confirmation that the vehicle is a proper motorhome , not a commercial vehicle.


That's why I asked where you are because I would recommend you go to the VTN centre on the long mile road as done the form for me to convert my van to campervan .who are also recognized motor engineers by the Revenue


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Posted: 24.05.2017  ·  #11
Sprinter are they the ardjent boys, beside Renault trucks that your referring to. If so they are at least twice the price of the crowd that I recommended. The company that I work for realised this some months ago


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Posted: 24.05.2017  ·  #12
Yes the are. My point being that same as you . I think that is the sort of place that Melanie should go to in order to get the correct information. that's exactly why I asked where she is based , in order to direct her towards , as far as i remember there is about 14 centers around Ireland that are accepted by and recommended by Revenue. The wont charge her for the correct information.

But Thorn .
As for how expensive they are , I cant remember what the charged ,it was irreverent in the scheme of the whole process , I was just glad to have got trough everything and on the road.


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Posted: 24.05.2017  ·  #13
All engineers charge for their services, it's the nature of business. Definitely using the services of one, would help to speed up matters with revenue.
I suspect that because the motorhome was manufactured 20 odd years ago and is on it's second export, the original documents have not been digitalised and are not available on revenue computers.


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Posted: 31.05.2017  ·  #14
Thanks everyone for your help. This has been very useful.
I'm living in Dublin but i'm storing the Camper at home in my mom's in Cork.

I think I'm going to do that and get onto the engineering company.


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Posted: 31.05.2017  ·  #15
Hi Kismet,
Maybe open a new post here looking for an auto engineer based in Cork, as there are a few folks from Cork knocking around here. Who knows, someone's family member may be able to help you.
Best of luck.


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Posted: 31.05.2017  ·  #16
http://www.nsai.ie/Our-Service…nters.aspx

This is a list on the Suitably Qualified Individual (SQI)
Who are signed up with and are accepted buy revenue the to do the paperwork you require (from Revenues own website.)
There is one in Riverstick in Cork.
Give the one or two of them a call,explain your problems ,get a quote for doing the paperwork ,if you need your DOE get it all sorted at the same time.


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Hi Kismet, just wondering how did this one finish up?

I'm currently in the process of bringing a motorhome in from the UK, under a VRT exemption. All boxes ticked so far regarding VRT, however the revenue are now potentially looking for CofC. RSA and some of the posts above state this is for new vehicles from 2012 onwards.

I am also based in Cork, so if you could give me any info as to whether you needed it, and if so where you got it done, that would be great.


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Kismet has not returned to post or read since their last post 31/5/17.
Hopefully someone else with appropriate knowledge will come back to you.

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Hi Kismet, just wondering how did this one finish up?

I'm currently in the process of bringing a motorhome in from the UK, under a VRT exemption. All boxes ticked so far regarding VRT, however the revenue are now potentially looking for CofC. RSA and some of the posts above state this is for new vehicles from 2012 onwards.

I am also based in Cork, so if you could give me any info as to whether you needed it, and if so where you got it done, that would be great.


The Certificate of Conformity should be part of the vehicles paperwork, it would have been issued by the manufacturer along with the rest of the bumph to the purchaser when new.

If the vehicle has passed through a number of owners it may have become lost.
The manufacturer, the motorhome builder not the base vehicle builder, should be able to issue a copy, probably for a fee.
The CoC is a useful document to have as it is the official legal document from the manufacturer listing things like the number of travel seats, vehicle and axle gross weights, engine emissions, etc. which overrides any opinions the RSA or others in officialdom might have about the vehicle.
Below is an example of page 2 of mine issued in 2005, so I don't understand the 2012 thing.
 

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I am i the same boat and planning to import 1996 factory built Ducato Previous owner did not have CoC and I can't get one online as the original manufacturer is long gone.
So what's the deal at the end, is the 2012 rule correct? If not, anyone knows if NSAI is the way to go.

Very frustrating. :(


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Posted: 28.06.2024  ·  #21
In the mean time I've done the most logical thing and sent an inquiry to Revenue. I will keep everyone posted if I get a meaningful reply.

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I'm not being pedantic but i see this all the time where the donor vehicle is used to describe the camper, but did any of the Manufacturers actually do the conversion or build the motorhome.?

Fiat built the donor vehicle in your case ( Ducato ) who built the Motorhome / conversion.?

The Fiat Ducato is a light commercial vehicle jointly developed by FCA Italy and PSA Group (currently Stellantis) , and mainly manufactured by Sevel.
Every vehicle built will have a Certificate of Conformity so at the very least Fiat should be able to give you a copy of the Cert, if you send then an Email giving them a description ( motorhome or converted van) with a copy of the Logbook for the country it,s currently registered in, Chassis number, engine type, number, year and a copy of any other plates on the Vehicle..
If you only get a Cert for the Donor vehicle, then you can take this and the vehicle to an SQI and have him issue a Cert for the rest of the Camper.

Its always good idea to have with your paperwork a keep a copy of the original Logbook that came with the Camper. revenue will not give the original back.


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Unlike in Ireland, the information in the 'log book', as we call it, is usually a reliable representation of the vehicle details as listed on the CoC.
All the important stuff, like axle weights, GVW, number of certified travel seats, etc. will have been correctly transcribed on to the log book.
In Germany, any changes or modifications are also added.
There is no need to worry about translations as the codes for the details are standard across the EU, so just use the log book for your car, for example, or Google Translate to cross check for the values on the foreign log book.

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Unlike in Ireland, the information in the 'log book', as we call it, is usually a reliable representation of the vehicle details as listed on the CoC.
All the important stuff, like axle weights, GVW, number of certified travel seats, etc. will have been correctly transcribed on to the log book.
In Germany, any changes or modifications are also added.
There is no need to worry about translations as the codes for the details are standard across the EU, so just use the log book for your car, for example, or Google Translate to cross check for the values on the foreign log book.


Colin everyone understand the codes are the same all over the EU, except the NCT staff when you lodge your paperwork to register a van, it's one of the ridiculous requirement, along with having to know where the engine and chassis number are.


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Unlike in Ireland, the information in the 'log book', as we call it, is usually a reliable representation of the vehicle details as listed on the CoC.
All the important stuff, like axle weights, GVW, number of certified travel seats, etc. will have been correctly transcribed on to the log book.
In Germany, any changes or modifications are also added.
There is no need to worry about translations as the codes for the details are standard across the EU, so just use the log book for your car, for example, or Google Translate to cross check for the values on the foreign log book.


Colin everyone understand the codes are the same all over the EU, except the NCT staff when you lodge your paperwork to register a van, it's one of the ridiculous requirement, along with having to know where the engine and chassis number are.


I bet the same NCT staff have no problem using Google Translate to make sure the milk they are buying in France or German or Spain is full, semi-skimmed, or fat free.
FFS give me a break 🙄

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Unlike in Ireland, the information in the 'log book', as we call it, is usually a reliable representation of the vehicle details as listed on the CoC.
All the important stuff, like axle weights, GVW, number of certified travel seats, etc. will have been correctly transcribed on to the log book.
In Germany, any changes or modifications are also added.
There is no need to worry about translations as the codes for the details are standard across the EU, so just use the log book for your car, for example, or Google Translate to cross check for the values on the foreign log book.


Colin everyone understand the codes are the same all over the EU, except the NCT staff when you lodge your paperwork to register a van, it's one of the ridiculous requirement, along with having to know where the engine and chassis number are.


I bet the same NCT staff have no problem using Google Translate to make sure the milk they are buying in France or German or Spain is full, semi-skimmed, or fat free.
FFS give me a break 🙄


The problem is that the NCT Handbook they are working from, ( the same one that says you need to know ,what the engine is and where it is on the engine ) is not the same one as the one Revenue use. government departments are well known to not communicate with each other. then you get someone who just loves the page with the paragraph in the handbook that says the Customer is King, on the next page says Royalty don't need your help. :devil:


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Posted: 01.07.2024  ·  #27
Well, here it is straight from the horse's mouth:

My inquiry was:

Can you please confirm if CoC is required to import a 1996 factory built campervan that has valid registration documents in Germany?

And here is the answer:

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Hello,

The registration documents will suffice in this instance as long as they are valid.

Regards,
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Hope this settles it once & for all.

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