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Posted: 02.11.2016  ·  #1
I know there's no point in asking how long the life span of leisure batteries is, some are used more than others.
My two are not charging any further that 78% capacity. They are just over two years old, and I would have thought they should last longer than that. They've never been depleted more than 70% so thats not the issue. What about if the manufacturer installed one and it lay unused for months or possibly up to a year, then at new, I installed a second one, surely that would have an impact on both. Any ideas? We've done 27K miles and around 200 nights wilding. 100w solar panel installed. NTEO.


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Posted: 02.11.2016  ·  #2
You might find the factory fitted one might be on its way out disconnect the batts from one another and test them see which as the lowest charge as the bad batt would drain the good one


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Posted: 02.11.2016  ·  #3
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They've never been depleted more than 70% so thats not the issue.


That could be the issue.
I always feel it is better to drain them more than less as although they are not supposed to suffer from the memory effect I think they do in a way.

Also, 2 years could be their lifespan. We had a pair of Elecsols a few years ago and although guaranteed for 5 years they only lasted 2. They were replaced but we never as good as the first pair.


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Posted: 02.11.2016  ·  #4
Mark, if one was depleted, I couldn't put just one in to replace. I think the issue was with the original one draining the second. Have you ever taken the driver seat out of a Fiat?


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Posted: 02.11.2016  ·  #5
We had a new halford die in under a year, the replacement was working perfect when we sold the Motorhome two years later.


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Posted: 02.11.2016  ·  #6
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What about if the manufacturer installed one and it lay unused for months or possibly up to a year, then at new, I installed a second one, surely that would have an impact on both. Any ideas?


If that was the case then you were off to a bad start, both batteries should be the same age, the same make, the same AHR and preferably (although I don't know how neccessary) the same batch.


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Posted: 02.11.2016  ·  #7
That is true.
I always insist on a pair of new Banner batteries when we buy a new van.


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Posted: 02.11.2016  ·  #8
The Ducato seat is not difficult to remove Nick but it is heavy


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The Ducato seat is not difficult to remove Nick but it is heavy


And a lot heavier when I'm in it.... :'(


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Posted: 07.11.2016  ·  #10
I'm on my third camper, and only ever had 1 battery problem in over 15 years - one battery overheated in Kilbroney and was red hot before I noticed it. Current camper with me for 5 years and new batteries installed on purchase are still perfect? My vans are plugged into home electrics almost all of the time. I think this helps to prolong longevity, particularly coming through winter months??
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Posted: 07.11.2016  ·  #11
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I'm on my third camper, and only ever had 1 battery problem in over 15 years - one battery overheated in Kilbroney and was red hot before I noticed it. Current camper with me for 5 years and new batteries installed on purchase are still perfect? My vans are plugged into home electrics almost all of the time. I think this helps to prolong longevity, particularly coming through winter months??
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Following on from Marks advice, I've gone for Banner. What brand are you using?
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Posted: 09.11.2016  ·  #12
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Following on from Marks advice, I've gone for Banner. What brand are you using?
Nick.


Following on from NCC advice, I also went for Banner. So far I am not impressed, 2 x 135AH Energy Bull, they don't seem great. It's hard for me to judge though as I have yet to have good batteries in our current van. What doesn't fill me full of confidence is the ongoing reports of how bad they are on other websites. It seems from reading between the lines that a lot of people went out and purchased Banner as the NCC said they were one of the best. A lot of them seem to be failing very early and won't hold their charge.

Ours are only weeks old and we can't return them as they are not faulty. We have never had problems with Platinum batteries and wish we just had of went for them again.

Time will tell I suppose


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Posted: 10.11.2016  ·  #13
Reading more on this subject of banner batteries.

It seems that the fact they are 'maintenance free' leads you, quite rightly, to assume they are in fact that.

But they are not, they require you to check the levels, every 6 months to a year. This seems to be why a lot of them are failing.


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Posted: 16.11.2016  ·  #15
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I don't know the technology inside a Banner Energy Bull but my guess would by it has a fairly high Antimony content. This old fashioned type of battery is prone to gassing more than most, unless the voltage is very carefully controlled to lower than average levels.

One thing Antimony batteries really don't like is continuous 'high' maintenance voltage when not being used. They are from the days of 13.8v mains chargers.
Many 'modern' mains chargers with 14.4v outputs are likely to gas an Antimony battery.

Likewise an Antimony battery on permanent 14.2v Solar charge is likely to lose quite a lot of fluid.


My guess would be that the Energy Bulls poor performance is down to the technology just not being suited to a modern Motorhome.
More suited to a Caravan from 2001 where it only got a 13.5v - 13.8v mains charge and rarely sees an Alternators 14.4volts. Even when it does get an Alternator charge, the voltage drop over 6 + metres of Car + Caravan cable that is also driving a 13a Fridge, usually means the battery gets well less than 14v.


I think Banner misunderstood the Market and applied 1980's technology that no longer fitted the 'new Motorhomes' profile.


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Posted: 16.11.2016  ·  #16
Yes I had a good look round, and decided against them. Going for the more expensive but longer lasting AGM type instead.


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Posted: 23.11.2016  ·  #17
There is an underlying issue with battery charging in leisure vehicles.

To facilitate the use of 'maintenance free' batteries, that is those which are sealed, need no topping up and do not need outside ventilation the charging voltage is kept below the level which causes gassing and water loss.
The BIG issue here is that such batteries never perform to the best that a lead acid battery is capable of and can take an extended period of time to be recharged after use.
On the other hand, if a open battery, one which can be topped up, is used that offers the possibility of faster and more complete charging as a higher charging voltage and current can be used. That type of charging is good for a battery and will enable it to give its longest service, the down side is such a charging regime will cause gassing and water loss so the battery must be vented to the outside and the electrolyte level checked regularly.

Both my OE batteries had removable tops (Varta Semi-traction) and lasted over eight years they were charged by the onboard three stage charger when on EHU and B2B unit when on the road which is quite an aggressive four step charger. However they needed 'watering' about twice a year.


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Posted: 23.11.2016  ·  #18
The only thing I hate about mohos is the position of the batteries. Having them under the seat makes inspection en situ just about impossible.
Having to take the seat out is a pain, and this is why I've gone down the AGM route.
As for charging, well, time will tell.


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Posted: 23.11.2016  ·  #19
Mine are not easy got at either, they are either side of the engine, tucked in tight. (A-Class)


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Our are very accessible but the hook up is in a daft place.
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Posted: 25.11.2016  ·  #21
Better access than mine, but can you close that door with the lead in place?


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Posted: 26.11.2016  ·  #22
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Better access than mine, but can you close that door with the lead in place?


Of course you can. Might get a bit of a surprise tho! :fgrin:


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Better access than mine, but can you close that door with the lead in place?


Yes. Door closes and locks with lead connected to hookup


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Posted: 09.12.2016  ·  #24
can i ask a silly question on this.. the OP mentioned that the capacity was at 78%.... how did you measure this??


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Posted: 09.12.2016  ·  #25
Some of the control panels give that info.
We have it and I am sceptical of the information to be honest.

I have seen ours show 95% capacity with a lower voltage than I would like to see.


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Posted: 09.12.2016  ·  #26
Yes Mark, although not a pinch of salt situation, I would use it as a guide only. Better knowing you've a certain % than nothing imo.


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