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Posted: 22.08.2016  ·  #1
Hi everybody, I intend to add a second leisure battery shortly and I'm not sure what size leads i should use to connect them, the distance between the batteries will be about 1.2meters ie under passenger and driver seats. I imagine they wouldn't need to be very heavy for leisure use. Any advice would be much appreciated. Cheers Simon.


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Posted: 22.08.2016  ·  #2
Don't rely know, a bit of welder cable perhaps???


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Posted: 22.08.2016  ·  #3
Use the likes of starter motor cable, it will be flexible enough and be able to carry the full current. Best way is to run the earth to one and the live feed from the other instead of both from one battery (apparently it helps to even the load and draw on both, instead of one feeding the other constantly)

I hope this makes sense!


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Use the likes of starter motor cable, it will be flexible enough and be able to carry the full current. Best way is to run the earth to one and the live feed from the other instead of both from one battery (apparently it helps to even the load and draw on both, instead of one feeding the other constantly)

I hope this makes sense!


Make sure you wire them parallel or you will have 24 volts


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Posted: 22.08.2016  ·  #5
Hi Simon, A common misconception is that it takes less for 12 volt than 240v (mains electricity like at home). However the lower the voltage the higher the current. A 60 watt bulb in the home would draw around 0.3 amps where as on 12 volt it would draw 5 amps. If you look at the fuses in your control fuse box a few will be 5 Amp others will be 10 and twenty amp. Therefore cables at 12 volt need to be a bigger diameter than domestic cables to reduce the resistance and therefore not overheat and start a fire. These cables could melt rather than blow the fuse if they are too thin.
If you look at the diameter of jump leads, these are often hot when jumping a flat battery. I would stick to the size of cable coming from the alternator to your main and leisure battery.


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Use the likes of starter motor cable, it will be flexible enough and be able to carry the full current. Best way is to run the earth to one and the live feed from the other instead of both from one battery (apparently it helps to even the load and draw on both, instead of one feeding the other constantly)

I hope this makes sense!


Make sure you wire them parallel or you will have 24 volts


Positive to Positive and negative to negative


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Use the likes of starter motor cable, it will be flexible enough and be able to carry the full current. Best way is to run the earth to one and the live feed from the other instead of both from one battery (apparently it helps to even the load and draw on both, instead of one feeding the other constantly)

I hope this makes sense!


Make sure you wire them parallel or you will have 24 volts


Positive to Positive and negative to negative

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Posted: 22.08.2016  ·  #8
Got me worried now when I added the second battery I used the cables from a set of heavy duty jumps leads are you sayings these are not man enough


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It is also said you not add a new battery to an older one. You should replace both at the same time.


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Got me worried now when I added the second battery I used the cables from a set of heavy duty jumps leads are you sayings these are not man enough


David, good heavy duty jump leads are usually a similar diameter to those that come from the alternator to the battery.
Like myself David you may be able to remember the fuse wire we used to replace blown fuses in the home. 5 amp fuse wire was extremely thin and even 30 amp fuse wire was not much thicker than a few strands of hair. When it used to go regularly you may have been tempted to increase it to the next size up or string a few strands together. Eventually you might end up replacing it with tin foil or the golden foil from 20 benson and hedges. resulting in a "letting the smoke out" in either a melted cable,melted fuse box or melted socket internals if not a wee fire.
If you look at your vehicle fuses 12 volt, especially the 30 amp fuse it looks like a solid bar (in comparison to the 30 amp 240 volt fuse wire in the home), that has to melt in a short circuit situation,
Fuses in the home have been replaced with mcb's (miniture circuit breakers) to prevent people from oversizing the fusewire. Fuses are thermal protection if the circuits overheat due to the resistance of drawing to many amps in too small a cable or too big a load being put on a usually adequate circuit


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Posted: 22.08.2016  ·  #11
Today, whilst going around loop head, I noticed that the rear view camera went on and off on the bumps on the road. The monitor is connected to the ignition and goes off when the vehicle is turned off. However the camera is connected to the habitational circuit, which means leaving the hab circuit on when travelling as I'm LHD and mirrors are crap. I have a switch below the rear bed which I usually remember to turn off when I am camping.
Eventually the camera went off completely. Initial thoughts were that the camera had died a death but noticed then that the control panel was down. Further investigation lead me to the fuse box under the seat. I began to check the fuses, the last one stuck to me with heat. It transpired that the fuse holder was weak resulting in a poor connection, which became extremely hot due to the loose connection on the intermittent bumps. The plastic on the fuse had deformed and melted but the fuse itself had not gone as there was no short circuit.
What I'm attempting to say is that low voltage is as dangerous as mains voltage, people have been killed with Christmas lights.


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Posted: 23.08.2016  ·  #12
Thanks for all that Guys, great advice there. I'll head for the motor shop this morning and suggest alternator/battery type leads then. Thenks again , Simon.


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Posted: 23.08.2016  ·  #13
Simon,
Ring your local auto electrician as you are not jump starting anything,

I'm not an expert but I think jump lead cable is way too heavy,


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Posted: 23.08.2016  ·  #14
Was in the motor shop in Portadpwn yesterday and a guy bought a four foot length of suitable cable for £4. I reckon two of those would be ideal. He was going use the cable to jump start a motorbike apparently.


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Posted: 24.08.2016  ·  #15
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Simon,
Ring your local auto electrician as you are not jump starting anything,

I'm not an expert but I think jump lead cable is way too heavy,


Thanks MM, your spot on, I went to my local Electrical & Diesel workshop yesterday and they sorted me. I,ve also fused the positive line at both sides ( very close to the terminals) with inline fuses , in case of any possible mishap in between. Cheers and thanks everybody for your advice. Simon


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Posted: 24.08.2016  ·  #16
Get proper batt cable and proper connectors which should be soldered onto the end of the cable and heat shrink covering the soildered ends jumplead cable is no good for batt connections as its only designed or quick startups ( Ie) if you've jumped to cars you wil notice that the jump cables heat up ,don't use them as connectors between to batts get the right cable


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Posted: 28.08.2016  ·  #17
Slight hi jack

After a load of research bit the bullet and bought 2 new leisure batteries
Did go for a Dual use one as this one was a good price and in all tests I could find it performed as well or almost as well as a "true leisure battery" which usually cost loads more.

The following is a independent report

http://www.aandncaravanservices.co.uk/b ... nology.php

The battery is a Varta LFD 90 and whilst I was looking for 2 100 - 110ah batteries it appears that this out performed most of them.

Best price I could find was Tayna but don't know if they will ship over the water ,
Anyway they are ordered now

David


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Posted: 29.08.2016  ·  #18
They don't or didn't the last time I tried. Both the Varna and Bosch ones in that article are not easily got over here and those that can be found are expensive.

As another deviation, A&N caravan services have closed down which is a great pity as they are the only place I could find who repaired Calira charging units.


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Posted: 31.08.2016  ·  #19
you need 44 core cable 2 battery terminals + and - 4 yellow coded ring terminals red and black tape to mark the ring connection red + black - and a battery clamp to secure the supplementary battery


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