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· Posted: 23.02.2016 · #41

On reading most of the posts in relation to Howth where it was mentioned about spending thousands on our hobbies and loosing parking weekly, someone else said that the pier was tight due to lorries and fishermen working. It is obvious that with the number of motorhomes out there all trying to park for free that these areas are becoming congested and we will continue to loose these prime sites as they are being abused by the motorhomers, Spain and Portugal are having the same problem at the moment.
We are quick to condemn the travelling community but in reality are we not causing the same problems.
If we can afford to pay thousands for our hobby then unfortunately it is getting to the stage where we will be required to pay for parking in designated areas.

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· Posted: 23.02.2016 · #42

Hi dan and Bob,

I was talking to a few dealers lately and they seem to be selling lots of motorhomes, in fact one long established caravan dealer told me he was doing more motorhomes than caravans now.

Whilst we all like to get the occasional free overnight, I think you are right in what you say about paying. That is one of the reasons I am in the C&CC. Not for the sites but for the weekends in schools and clubs etc.

I don't think that 'proper' sites fit the bill for what a lot of motorhomers want. If they saw the potential in the aire beside their site at a reasonable price I think they would do well.

I am not sure we have the momentum yet for council provided Aires, indeed it is doubtful they will be in abundance during my expected Motorhome lifetime. And yet any council that is brave enough to establish them seem to be successful in operating them.

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· Posted: 25.02.2016 · #43

As we are due to attend a youth sailing event in Howth at the end of March I asked the yacht club about the restrictions and any other arrangements. There are usually a large number of parents attending such events in motorhomes. This was the reply.

Good morning Mark,

Thanks so much for your e-mail. As far as we are aware, the Height Restriction is in place at the end of the middle pier. Therefore, it won't prevent you from parking in the allocated space for motor homes as you can drive in through the main access road. We have received no information to date from the Harbour Master to state that there are any changes in place.
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Does this make sense to anyone.

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· Posted: 25.02.2016 · #44

Seems to me, the Harbour Authorities are happy with the facilities offered as it is. The large influx of vans was ripping the arse out of it as mentioned ad nauseum. Would be best for one of our lot to go down to Howth and actually walk around looking for this allocated space. If it was allocated a while ago, a suggestion to ask the authority to rethink the amount of space offered. Even with a small charge for overnighting to offset the expense of new works.

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· Posted: 25.02.2016 · #45

Well done for getting a reply Mark.

First time I have heard of or even seen allocated space for motorhomes at Howth.

If they are suggesting the parking bays on the right of the middle pier as you approach the newly erected barrier? If this is the case you better be under 6 metres in length as you will overhang the road and pavement.

If the harbour master was happy to collect payment each morning that should get rid of the almost full timers who frequent the pier.

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· Posted: 26.02.2016 · #46

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If we can afford to pay thousands for our hobby then unfortunately it is getting to the stage where we will be required to pay for parking in designated areas.

That's fine with me, I don't mind paying as long as the charge suits the amenities the area and the stopover.

Donaghadee although set up as a proper Aire has the potential of becoming like Howth, too many vans in the summer, pissing of locals and it goes from there. It needs limits set before it is either restricted or removed, we know it's going to happen eventually. It is also a shared car park with the club that is on site not to mention the abundance of dog walkers.

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Howth is not a big loss for us, I know it is for many but it never appealed to us much. Fine if you fancy parking and visiting expensive restaurants and pubs but for somewhere to park the Motorhome and stay a few days it is not for us. Motorhome Parking (wildcamping? pfft), is ok when the need arises for a few nights but for us, it has lost it's appeal, tired of looking at car parks and tarmac.

We much prefer proper Aire's and Campsites now, or something organised with plenty of craic, like an event or a meet. Each to their own.

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· Posted: 26.02.2016 · #47

I agree with you totally Ally. The most important aspect of our Hobby, see that, is the ability to choose where to, not only go, but the type of location, and the company. This is a hobby where one size definitely doesn't nor ever will fit all. We've done meets, loved every one, wild camped, been in some fabulous places, caravan club meets annual rallies with 1000's of other vans, campsites of all shapes and sizes. When I tire of any of them I'll get rid of the van, but until then the best option for me personally is to spend more time abroad where motorhomes are welcomed for the beneficial contribution they make to the economy. Ireland and the Uk will never embrace us, to fekkin' jealous of our freedom.

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· Posted: 28.02.2016 · #48

people need to stop saying about too many vans in donaghadee
there is no limit
just park sensibly

meeting a few months back where some of the tennis club said about parking and council told them it is not tennis car park it is public and mhomes have right to stay

howths main problem was assholes, travellers and mhomes thinking they owned the place.
howth was never official parking
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· Posted: 28.02.2016 · #49

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If it's a public car park then the tennis club folk have a right to park/stay also and it seems they have already complained.

So it has already caused a problem that there are too many there, if it gets filled with Motorhomes it will piss off the locals and thats an obvious fact wether it is official parking as well. It is not Motorhome parking ONLY.

Burying your head in the sand and not discussing won't make it go away.

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· Posted: 28.02.2016 · #50

not burying head in sand
I have no problem speaking to those who transgress

hundreds of motorhomers but a few will bollox it up

same as many things its a small minority will ruin it

mark made a very good point many months ago about how to behave at an aire, most do but there are some who don't give a s***

unfortunately howth did seem to attract a few baduns right from the getgo

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· Posted: 28.02.2016 · #51

I agree, it will be a small minority that ruin it. That's why I suggested that we should do something now before it turns into Howth, what? I don't know.

There has already been complaints, we know that much.

At the moment Donaghadee welcomes us, the business's welcome and appreciate the custom, but we all know there are those that go to Donaghadee and don't spend a penny. There has already been a caravan at Donaghadee.

All it takes is one member of the public not being able to park to walk their dog, a story in the local newspaper, a follow up complaint to planning authorities and it all goes tits up.

The majority as you say do behave at an Aire and all subscribed members can download our guide to using Aire's in Ireland

What I am saying, if we had of done something at Howth before it was too late it might of been a better outcome. So lets not let anymore area's become saturated to the extent they get restricted or taken away.

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· Posted: 28.02.2016 · #52

To be honest I think there should be a limited number of Motorhome parking spaces at all Aire type facilities but the problem we have in this country is there are not enough of them. In France if you turn up at an Aire and the allocated spaces are full you simply drive on to the next one which will probably be fairly close. We don't have that luxury and may never have it if inconsiderate Motorhome owners don't stop their selfish behaviour.

What I can see happening is councils who do provide Motorhome parking receiving more and more complaints from other motorists. The word which will stick in their heads is Motorhome. How long will it be before someone decides that the motorhomes are more bother than they are worth. This could be the beginning of the end for Aires in Ireland. If there are allocated spaces and all motorhomes are parked within these spaces they will have an easy answer for the complainants. If the Motorhome is parked in an allocate bay they are allowed to be there.

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· Posted: 28.02.2016 · #53

meeting a few months back where some of the tennis club said about parking and council told them it is not tennis car park it is public and mhomes have right to stay

I think this was the crux of the post.

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· Posted: 28.02.2016 · #54

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The crux of the post because there were already complaints or the fact that the council said tough?

The council will only say Tough for so long, we have the right to stay, we don't have the right to abuse it, and if we use up all the space we are doing that. That very seldom happens but it does happen and it will continue to get worse.

35 Motorhomes there one weekend last summer? that's more than most campsites.

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· Posted: 28.02.2016 · #55

and the retailers reaping the reward

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· Posted: 28.02.2016 · #56

Isn't it a pity that we don't have representative body who actually understand the requirements of Motorhomers. They could then advise councils of how to establish, implement and run the facilities.

At the moment any council how has provided Aire type facilities has got something wrong.

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· Posted: 28.02.2016 · #57

well said mark

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· Posted: 28.02.2016 · #58

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and the retailers reaping the reward

Indeed.

The good thing about this debate is, we will know who was right in the very near future. Either everything will continue to be rosey at Donaghadee or it won't.

- I hope I am wrong.

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· Posted: 28.02.2016 · #59

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Isn't it a pity that we don't have representative body who actually understand the requirements of Motorhomers. They could then advise councils of how to establish, implement and run the facilities.

At the moment any council how has provided Aire type facilities has got something wrong.

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well said mark

Agreed.

But who feels strongly enough to create a body to represent us? we can't really complain if we are not willing to stand up and be counted ourselves.

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· Posted: 28.02.2016 · #60

tried it and was regally sh*t on.....

unfortunately for some reason they are intent on going to a cravan site to find out what mhomers req.....

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· Posted: 28.02.2016 · #61

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tried it and was regally sh*t on.....

unfortunately for some reason they are intent on going to a cravan site to find out what mhomers req.....

Well lets do something about that.

Suggestions????

I suggest a permanent document on Motorhomecraic open to everyone, detailing what Motorhomes require(and how little), what good we can bring to a community, how an Aire should be setup and making ourselves open to any discussion from councils etc - with contact details - phone numbers etc

Make ourselves approachable and stop this cloak and dagger mentality.

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· Posted: 28.02.2016 · #62

Well now on this note you all no the problem caused at Portrush and I and a fellow motor homer who was better connected to the council than I fought for an aires at Portrush I know it isn't perfect but it's a start. The wife and I were down the other Friday night for a meal there were two motor homes at top of lands down and two at the Dunluce centre beside the aires not one in the aires and still there at after 12 I honestly felt like battering on there doors

I realy give up.

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· Posted: 28.02.2016 · #63

There is a distinct lack of inforcement with regard to Aires in Ireland. I feel the comes from a lack of knowledge within the councils as they never received the correct information during the planning stages.

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· Posted: 28.02.2016 · #64

When Aires are mentioned Northern Ireland is well behind the times,but we seem to have the most amount of people who think that because you own a Motorhome that you have the right to park where you wish for free and treat the people of that area like dirt.
How many of us have witnessed Motorhomes parked and the grey water running straight out across the ground? (I have and complained,but it seems to fall on deaf ears)
You can only help those that want to help themselves.

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· Posted: 28.02.2016 · #65

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But who feels strongly enough to create a body to represent us? we can't really complain if we are not willing to stand up and be counted ourselves.

What about the "motorhome association" where are they and what are they up to at the minute, is there anything that they as a body can do even if it is making an introduction to the relevant people/bodies

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· Posted: 28.02.2016 · #66

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tried it and was regally sh*t on.....

unfortunately for some reason they are intent on going to a cravan site to find out what mhomers req.....

While I agree something must be done and we have to start some place,
We have a few thousand members but we only probably have only just over 100 members logging on regularly and some of them are not even from Ireland. I think those that log on regularly know what is acceptable behaviour as do members of Motorhome Clubs, It is those that are not affiliated with a club or forum are the biggest problem and we will not get to them with a document in Motorhomecraic. (It would probably be beneficial with dealing with councils alright, but wont put Manners on offenders) Surely we have members that are also members of whatever Motorhome Clubs that are out there, could we not get together with an united front and try and tackle these issues?
We are only Motorhoming less than six years and the amount of parking spaces that have disappeared since is huge, this can't continue!

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· Posted: 29.02.2016 · #67

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I realy give up.

Portrush Aire never had a good start. At the beginning the council just pissed everyone off, maybe it was the DOE I can't remember, anyhow it didn't get a good start as they closed landsdowne car park.

For £1.50 more I can park up in a campsite with showers, toilets, beautiful forest walks, EHU and I don't feel under any obligation to support local business. It's too expensive.

When I am in Portrush I park at the Aire, plenty park outside it in the coach parking so that they don't have to pay and I am sure it is for the reasons above, but it is not policed, no one seems to really care where they park and no one is there to enforce it from what we could see anyhow. It's a bit of a disaster to be honest.

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· Posted: 29.02.2016 · #68

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Have heard nothing from them for a long time. If they are doing anything they are keeping it to themselves.

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· Posted: 29.02.2016 · #69

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I agree with what you are saying but.... if we have a document detailing what is required, the best way to do it that is openly available to councils are whatever body wants to set up an Aire then if they are built correctly those that wish to abuse it or park in the wrong place should not be able too.

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· Posted: 29.02.2016 · #70

From a personal point of view any time I have been to Howth if it has been too busy I wont stay and move on else where, I do this wherever I go including Donaghadee, "too many vans - go else where, dont over crowd it"

As far as Portrush is concerned I have went on a few occasions and never found any space available at the aire, it was taken up with not only motorhomes but other vehicles so would have ended up parking else where.

The consensus of opinion always was that the aire ended up being priced to make motorhomes go to camp sites, but it is there and needs to be supported or else we could end up losing it, its not perfect but nothing ever is.

What Ally is proposing is a start in the right direction, I for one support him and will contribute where I can. Its something which while it will be available for authorities to view, its also something which can be sent to MP's, MLA's, councilors etc to promote the cause.

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· Posted: 29.02.2016 · #71

sorry but stayed over weekend in howth. spoke to harbour master and there is going to be no access at all to harbour !! there is going to be a barrier to restrict access as fishermen complaining.

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· Posted: 29.02.2016 · #72

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I also Totally agree with what you are saying Ally and feel that we should organise our own Motorhome Association. why isn't the present one logging on to the site and keeping us filled in with is going on? I know some issues cant be discussed openly on the site but they could keep in contact with yourself Ally and keep yourself informed.
I also think if we are to make progress with aires in this Country we are going to have to be prepared to pay a small fee for overnight Parking as long as the Aires are in the right place and looked after.

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· Posted: 29.02.2016 · #73

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While we don't have any communication from the MA, we do have some input from Colin (Baguette), whom I am very surprised has not commented on this topic. His website: http://www.motorcaravanningireland.org/ details what I am proposing, Colin has mentioned we join forces and move his website so it co-exists with MHC, this never went any further, there is great distance between myself and Colin and despite being asked to meet up with him I haven't made it that far South yet and he supposedly hasn't made it this far North. There is always the phone but he speaks another language like yourself Pat

- in all seriousness I find it very hard to understand Colin on the phone.

Perhaps yourself and Colin could meet and you could be MHC representative? just a suggestion. I'm open to all suggestions and starting our own Association isn't something I would rebuke, but if we already have something in place that can maybe be improved upon then that might be better.

My concerns with joining forces and including http://www.motorcaravanningireland.org/ on MHC is one of copyrights and ownership, this would need to be ironed out.

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· Posted: 29.02.2016 · #74

people on mhomecraic etc are not or shouldn't be the problem with issues at parking etc, as ntg says its the ones who just expect to do what and where they like, and are not linked to any group club or organisation

after seeing many attempts to get a group or association started I fear it will go at 100 mile an hour for a very short time then fizzle out

don't forget the main numbers of mhomers are quite happy with their lot at present and have their fav spots or campsites etc and are having no problems whatsoever.

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· Posted: 29.02.2016 · #75

I agree with Alllys' tentative proposal to set up an area on the forum for members to post their preferences etc. But there are two reasons , and I might get my wrist slapped for saying, where I think nothing we do will alter the status quo. I believe the MA and clubs of that ilk are more interested in rallying than wilding, and the other, Donaghadee provide an Aire for us, there is also a large carpark in the town which would be a better location geographically, we parked in the carpark to visit the town, and while we wanted to stay over, I felt it would be wrong to as there is an Aire ten minutes away. If we ever want to be accepted by the councils and public, our behaviour has to be exemplary.

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· Posted: 29.02.2016 · #76

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Agreed.

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after seeing many attempts to get a group or association started I fear it will go at 100 mile an hour for a very short time then fizzle out

I know what you mean, but perhaps they never had the numbers behind them like MHC does? I know the MA didn't/don't and as you also know were more or less speaking for themselves despite MHC offering to support them.

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don't forget the main numbers of mhomers are quite happy with their lot at present and have their fav spots or campsites etc and are having no problems whatsoever.

That's very true, but that's until something goes wrong, if we wish to keep our Fav spots and campsites then I think we need to be more pro active and set up a body or a council.

Think we all agree that on MHC and the clubs we are preaching to the converted, but there is no reason the converted cannot advise/flyer other Motorhomers on the way things should be done to protect ourselves form more spots being removed.

You are correct this could all end up a waste of time, but if we don;t try we'll never know.

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· Posted: 29.02.2016 · #77

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The MA is not club and does not hold rallies. Some of their members are in other clubs which do hold rallies, the MA have done active work on creating Aire's - perhaps not to everyones liking but they have created results.

But you are very correct about some clubs, they have no reason to promote Aire's and I would think some would actively discourage them.

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and the other, Donaghadee provide an Aire for us, there is also a large carpark in the town which would be a better location geographically, we parked in the carpark to visit the town, and while we wanted to stay over, I felt it would be wrong to as there is an Aire ten minutes away. If we ever want to be accepted by the councils and public, our behaviour has to be exemplary.

That other car park would be ideal but IIRC there is a good reason it was not used, think it is privately owned? I am sure someone else will advise. We have never had a problem staying in it though.

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· Posted: 29.02.2016 · #78

I think the carpark at the harbour is DRD owned where the commons is council owned.

This is a major stumbling block with regard to implementing Aire type facilities as councils cannot place it on DRD property. DRD controls most public carparks in the north.

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· Posted: 29.02.2016 · #79

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Your Last Concern first Ally, Do ye really need to Join forces to that extent, would it not be enough to just support each other with a common aim?

I am a bit confused with regards The Motorhome Assoccation, I thought Colin's site was a different driving force, Is the old Motorhome Assoccation still in existence or is it gone?

With regarding meeting Colin I have no problem but I would rather to mediate impartially and not be tied to any one of the Sites so as to be able to keep the lines of communication open should any disagreements occur. I would also suggest that if yourself Ally and Colin are happy with this arrangement, add Links for each others sites on your own sites.

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Re: Howth

· Posted: 29.02.2016 · #80

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Your Last Concern first Ally, Do ye really need to Join forces to that extent, would it not be enough to just support each other with a common aim?

Maybe, we'll discuss that with Colin, I'll email him and make him aware of this topic.

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I am a bit confused with regards The Motorhome Assoccation, I thought Colin's site was a different driving force, Is the old Motorhome Assoccation still in existence or is it gone?

The MA and Colin are two different entities. I have had no contact from the MA from away last year until today. Willie has just became a lifetime member so perhaps he will have some input on this topic.

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With regarding meeting Colin I have no problem but I would rather to mediate impartially and not be tied to any one of the Sites so as to be able to keep the lines of communication open should any disagreements occur. I would also suggest that if yourself Ally and Colin are happy with this arrangement, add Links for each others sites on your own sites.

Links are already in place on both sites.

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