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Posted: 10.05.2019  ·  #41
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That is an interesting way to put it


Yeah, seems we can keep on using it going by that wording, happy days :)


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Posted: 10.05.2019  ·  #42
Maybe it will satisfy Mr Smith that a sign has been put up to stop it being used as ‘caravan site ‘


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Agh, we won’t be getting a swimming pool then 😩


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Its about addressing the complaint that they are falling foul of the Caravan Act, so a sign stating that vehicles are not permitted to use it as a caravan site is required to show they are trying, the only thing is that the question has been asked as to how many have been prosecuted over it so will they enforce it!!


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Posted: 10.05.2019  ·  #45
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Greedy campsite sign:

 



When we were there on Sunday that sign was on the seafront car park behind the old bus station,I did not see it at the Aires.


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Posted: 10.05.2019  ·  #46
What's their definition of "Caravan Site"? Couldn't find anything on their website about parking by-laws.


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I suppose it's saying much the same as these signs ;-)
 
 
 
 


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Posted: 10.05.2019  ·  #48
Let us see who is the first person prosecuted for disobeying these signs,scare tactics is at the top of the agenda.
I cannot see how a court of law can prosecute a law abiding citizen with a road legal vehicle for stopping overnight in a public area.


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Posted: 10.05.2019  ·  #49
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Greedy campsite sign:

 



When we were there on Sunday that sign was on the seafront car park behind the old bus station,I did not see it at the Aires.


The sign at the old bus station car park is different to the above. It says that overnighting is not permitted.

The single sign at The Commons as the photo was apparently erected this morning. It is fixed to a pole at the service bay.

Tonight there are about 15 MH parked at The Commons plus a further 3 at the leisure centre car park and a further 1 at old bus station car park.

Also got speaking to a couple of locals who was walking their dogs. They were very apologetic regarding how motorhomes were being hounded and were quite clear where they thought the problem was being caused. They said as far as the locals and local businesses were concerned the motorhomes were very welcome.


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That is encouraging to hear.
Hopefully the same locals will give their newly elected Councillors a good flea in their ears to cop on and get with the program for responsible motorhoming.


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I love that they highlighted What’s on Spring and Summer 2018 poster.


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Reasonably positive response from people interviewed. All in all a reasonably good piece for motorhomers.


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Posted: 13.05.2019  ·  #55
I have spoken to owner of pier 36 and informed him I may not be able to frequent his restaurant as often due to not being allowed to stay overnight at the commons after a meal. I think anyone who uses any of the establishments in donaghadee should ring them to try to get them on our side. Wot do you think ?


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A local donaghadee facebook did a poll re Motorhome parking at the commons and 335 were in favour and..........6 against 👍


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Posted: 13.05.2019  ·  #57
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A local donaghadee facebook did a poll re Motorhome parking at the commons and 327 were in favour and..........6 against 👍


Great support from the locals. Shows whoever is bringing the court case is out of touch.

There was someone known as "Citizen Smith" at the weekend, seemed to be very opinionated about the whole thing, even making remarks about a certain Motorhome group after being removed, all whilst using a fake name and profile. Using a fake profile on social media gives you absolutely no credibility whatsoever.


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A local donaghadee facebook did a poll re Motorhome parking at the commons and 335 were in favour and..........6 against

Most wanted restrictions on numbers though - which is fair enough. Unwritten rule with any location is if there are too many you should move on.


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Most wanted restrictions on numbers though - which is fair enough. Unwritten rule with any location is if there are too many you should move on.


Exactly, also most Motorhomers wouldn't mind a charge brought in, lets put money back into the community even more than we do so now.


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The boat yard car park would be good for an overspill in donaghadee


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Posted: 14.05.2019  ·  #61
This was posted on the local 'dee site, I think it shows that the council are doing their best and, hopefully, there will be the outcome we, and many motorhomers want
Breezers: Communiqué sent to our council representatives explaining the current state of affairs regarding the overnighting of MH's.


You may be aware of recent media coverage relating to Council’s actions to restrict the use of the Commons at Donaghadee by motorhomes. Should you receive any queries from residents or media, please find below context information that may be helpful to you.

Following a legal challenge, which is in progress currently, officers have had to act to ensure the Council is fully compliant with all relevant legislation and not inadvertently operating an unlicensed caravan site.

Prior to the legal challenge the Council believed a bye-law specific to the Commons permitted overnight parking of motorhomes but it has transpired that the bye-law is superseded by The Caravan Act (1963), which classes a motorhome as a caravan and imposes a number of mandatory conditions/provisions where a site is used for sleeping/habitation.

There continue to be no restrictions on general parking at the Commons provided the occupants are not sleeping in their vehicle, so effectively use is during daylight hours only. It is hoped this will ensure motorhome visitors will still visit Donaghadee’s many shops, bar and restaurants while in the town.

The Tourism team has advised the motorhome fraternity, as far as possible, of the current situation and directed them to a listing of the Borough’s private caravan sites. Information is also posted on www.discoverni.com.

The Enforcement team has undertaken to monitor compliance with new signage at the Commons, which makes it clear that the site must not be used as a caravan site/for human habitation, as per the advice of the Council’s solicitor.

Looking forward, as you may be aware one of the recommendations of our car park strategy, which is still in draft, is an expansion of designated motorhome facilities across the Borough. Officers are working in anticipation of Council approving this outcome, including preparing the regulatory groundwork needed to underpin implementation. This process is being prioritised for The Commons with a view to reopening access to overnight use by motorhomes as soon as possible, as this was already a ‘designated’ site for that purpose and contains the borough’s only motorhome service point.



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"citizen Smith"

Oh dear, childish.

FYI all posts to this website are the intellectual property of Motorhomecraic.

Also, I am not in contact with Ards and North Down Council over this issue, please correct your statement.

I will also add; I am not in the group you try to call me out on, so i cannot reply. Also I never banned you as I don't own the group you mention. You really are showing yourself to be someone with little credibility.

 


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Unlike you "citizen Smith" i don't hide under a fake name. Feel free to contact me with your two accounts on here "carvanparkni" and "st_smith" I will provide my full name and address once you confirm your own real credentials.

I have requested access to the group you are in under my real name, I have yet to be accepted. The group is a public group, I can read the posts but not reply.

Yes I am from Antrim to answer one of your questions. If you insist on your defamatory comments I will be ringing the PSNI.

 


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Strange, in April I sent st-smith a pm to meet up, and he hasn’t replied yet. I’m very disappointed as I would really like to meet him to share our commonality 🚽


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Posted: 16.05.2019  ·  #67
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So what is the next action?are they going to get a tow truck to take these illegal motorhomes away or are all these illegal motorhomers going to court?
Surely this will be worth watching.


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So what is the next action?are they going to get a tow truck to take these illegal motorhomes away or are all these illegal motorhomers going to court?
Surely this will be worth watching.


Correct me if I’m wrong but my reading between the lines is that the council are performing a CYA exercise and don’t have the will or inclination to enforce the ban on overnighting. The signs/ban are the result of ongoing pressure from a certain Mr Smith.


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O yes I forgot about citizen Smith,he must of had an awful mother who could not give him a proper name.😂
That probably led to his present erratic behaviour.😞


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Posted: 16.05.2019  ·  #70
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A bit of deja vu there, but the legal department of Cork Co. Co. told the caravan park owners to basically 'take a hike'.
The result, a 5* 30 bay motorhome parking area plus a services bay. READ IT HERE
BTW, the €20,000 generated in 2018 by the €10 p/n parking charge has been ringfenced for spending on local community projects.


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you know someone up there should advise the council to erect another sign that reads.

BECAUSE OF A LEGAL CHALLENGE TO OUR PLANS FOR A MOTORHOME STOPOVER, BY ( INSERT NAME OF OBJECTORS ), WE ARE UNABLE TO GENERATE FUNDS IN THE REGION OF £20K PER YEAR FOR LOCAL COMMUNITY PROJECTS, AS THEY ARE ABLE TO DO IN COBH CO. CORK.


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BECAUSE OF A LEGAL CHALLENGE TO OUR PLANS FOR A MOTORHOME STOPOVER, BY ( INSERT NAME OF OBJECTORS ), WE ARE UNABLE TO GENERATE FUNDS IN THE REGION OF £20K PER YEAR FOR LOCAL COMMUNITY PROJECTS, AS THEY ARE ABLE TO DO IN COBH CO. CORK.


I like that sign :)


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Question?
Does the supposed caravan park operate all year around?


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Question?
Does the supposed caravan park operate all year around?


A resounding NO


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Should a fellow attempt to acquire a campsite booking for lets say the third weekend in next November and receives a declining email.
Would this help the council's case?
As it stands the legislation being quoted is 56 years old.


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BECAUSE OF A LEGAL CHALLENGE TO OUR PLANS FOR A MOTORHOME STOPOVER, BY ( INSERT NAME OF OBJECTORS ), WE ARE UNABLE TO GENERATE FUNDS IN THE REGION OF £20K PER YEAR FOR LOCAL COMMUNITY PROJECTS, AS THEY ARE ABLE TO DO IN COBH CO. CORK.


I like that sign :)


If you knew anyone in the sign game it could also read. ;-)
BECAUSE OF A LEGAL CHALLENGE TO OUR ( excellent councils) PLANS FOR A MOTORHOME STOPOVER, BY ( OBJECTORS with their own personal interests at heart ), ( The council ) ARE UNABLE TO GENERATE FUNDS IN THE REGION OF £20K PER YEAR FOR LOCAL COMMUNITY PROJECTS, AS THEY ARE ABLE TO DO IN COBH CO. CORK.
They could be slipped under the council's ones in the dead of night while the objectors are counting their money how many of them would be needed. :o :D


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Mr Smith sent a follow up message to Ards and North Down Borough Council (27 May 2019)
"Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of Information reviews. I am writing to request an internal review of Ards and North Down Bo..."
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com…ing-903773


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Good God, has this person got nothing better to do!!! Surely there are more important things to be worrying about than a few motorhomes bringing business to an area. I presume this person is a campsite owner as I can't see any other reason to act like this. I also presume they are reading this thread so would love to know if they actually think their actions will get them more business from motorhomer owners? Do they not realise that the type of motorhone owner that would use this location would not stay in their campsite anyway?

Ridiculous really.


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Good God, has this person got nothing better to do!!! Surely there are more important things to be worrying about than a few motorhomes bringing business to an area. I presume this person is a campsite owner as I can't see any other reason to act like this. I also presume they are reading this thread so would love to know if they actually think their actions will get them more business from motorhomer owners? Do they not realise that the type of motorhone owner that would use this location would not stay in their campsite anyway?

Ridiculous really.



They most likely would not accept a booking for a single night on a busy weekend either. They don't want to offer the type of service someone touring in a motorhome might want but they'll be damned if you try and find that service you're looking for somewhere else.

Now why don't all of you troublesome motorhomists fall into line and start making week long bookings at the caravan park or better still, crush your motorhome and start booking a lovely static caravan at the campsite for two weeks at a time.


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I have only one reaction to Mr Smith's letter to the council 😴


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