Replacement engine

As I posted last week, the turbo oil seal blew on our engine last Tuesday. I have just returned from my mechanic this morning with the news that our engine is busted. The engine is so bad that a rebuild is not possible. At least 2 injectors have snapped and destroyed their cylinders and heads. He has not bother to drop the sump pan for a look as he reckons it's a waste of time
Now I am on the hunt for a replacement engine, Ford Transit 2.2, front wheel drive, 2010 reg with the engine part number of P8FA-P8FB.
I priced a new engine from ford which frightened me, €7,400 plus vat.
I am aware that this engine type is very scarce because they are a troubled model and also are replaced regularly in the transit short wheel base.
Any help will be much appreciated.
Thanks Malcolm

There's one with 25k on it for €1250
https://www.donedeal.ie/carpar…5/16941271

faaaack, sorry to hear this malcolm, hopefully you get sorted soon,

Sorry to hear Malcolm! If you want me to call into Kilcock car dismantlers or anything - I'd be happy to try help!

Sorry to hear you have a busted engine Mal, There is a company in Buncrana called Doherty transit parts and also on the net ,haven't heard anything bad about them so could be worth a look.

Traynors in Belfast /Dungannon may have what your looking for and they have a drop off point at the Red Cow on N7 Malcome

It is not only Transits, John. I had a Trooper years ago and it did the same thing but I was lucky, just stuck a secondhand Turbo into it and she went on for years. Its shocking that a Modern Motorhome could self destruct like that and then people say we don't spend money

Thanks for the replies. Will make a few phone calls tomorrow.
I have learnt alot about ford engines and turbos over the last 7 days.
Our engine was produced from 2009 until early 2012 until it was replaced with a Renault 2.2 euro6 spec which is not compatible since the wiring and ecu etc are different.
Basically our engine is euro 5 compliant but was originally designed as an euro 4 engine but with added gear like erg valves, increased turbo air pressure, different fuel injection pressures and other tweeting, ford managed to create an euro 5 engine. The downfall of this system is that some mechanics believe that the engines are running a few degrees hotter and the metals are becoming heat fatigued and ultimately are weakened.
In simple terms during this time, vehicle manufacturers were bankrupt and penny pinched on product development. A simple soul like myself will never be able to prove this.
When a turbo fails, the best practice is to stop driving, handbrake on, select top gear, foot on brake pedal and release the clutch, but all this has to be done in less than 30 or 40 seconds. The engine is basically consuming its own oil leaking into the air intake at the turbo and then sucking the oil into the piston chambers to be burnt as fuel.
But why can a turbo fail?
There is a bearing inside the turbo which can go due to a low level of oil or poor oil pressure, which happens mostly with older engines. Our engine had less than 29,000 miles and serviced in the last 2 months. The engine oil is circulated around the turbo bearing before been piped back into the engine sump. On this return pipe, the engine designers decided to fit a filter gauze to clean metal filings from a possible turbo bearing failure. This gauze is known to block over time and cause oil pressure to spike in the turbo therefore bursting the oil seals and causing the above damage. Most mechanics are not aware of this including some dealers.
An insider in Ford commercial told me that quite a number of engines were replaced in 2011/12 but it involved large companies and non disclosure agreements. However this ended with the new Renault engine been released onto the market.
I chanced my arm today and emailed Ford Ireland about product recalls and servicing recommendations in regards to our engine failure. I received a lovely worded email from them stating that there are no current recalls or recommendations in relation to our VIN number ( vehicle identification number).
My simple soul is dammed again.
In short at the next service ask if your engines are fitted with this oil return gauze filter and if so, ask for it to be cleaned or replaced. I hope that our misfortunes will help other members to learn as to how to avoid mishaps.
The above information is not gospel but complied from various people, some in the motor trade and some who know something about everything. Feel free to discuss and debate amongst yourselves.
Malcolm

I was talking to them this morning. Their prices seem to be keen but my engine model is out of stock. I was told to check in a week or so.
My local mechanic is more than capable of doing an engine swap.

ECU / radiator / starter / exhaust would be my first thoughts.

Has anyone else done it and what was the outcome?

Depreciation and saleability.
When you go to sell it and tell punters it only has a 2lt engine instead of the original unit it might be off putting.

Mal, dont know if any help, on Utube - Transit Mk6 coversion from TDDI 100ps to TDCI 130ps Mondeo mk 3 engine.

Yes John, I was taught to start up and idle for a few minutes to get the oil around the engine before moving off and as you say leave it to idle when you finished to make sure that the turbo was cooled down and oiled up, Also the oil we used then has advanced to extend the working like of a engine.

After searching the country upside down and inside out, to find a compatible engine that has not be rebuilt or driven to within an inch of its life, we were faced with a decision earlier this week as to do.
Option 1. Buy a rebuilt engine, but only a 3 month warranty given.
Option 2. Get our own engine rebuilt with a 6 month warranty but more expensive.
Option 3. Change the engine bay in the MH and fit a newer engine model along with a gearbox, wiring harness and etc.
Personally I was leaning for option 3 but after debating with the co pilot and thinking about it for longer, we decided for option 2. We are getting our own engine rebuilt, so hopefully when its pulled fully apart, nothing too serious will be found.
A massive thank you to all the leads that were posted here by members because I hunted them down over the last few weeks.
Hopefully we will be back on the road in a couple of weeks.
Malcolm

Well folks, nearly 5 weeks later and we got a text from our engine rebuild guy today that the MH is ready for collection on Monday. All rev up and rearing to go, hopefully. A pretty nice bill for our troubles but that the price of motoring.
For the gear heads here, I post more next week as to what was replaced or repaired after I collect the MH.
Malcolm

Heres hoping the reconditioned engine gives you years of trouble free driving Malcolm.

Hmmmmm.....

Is there any chance the "snapped injectors" are the root cuse for the problem? i.e. pieces of the injectors get ejected from the cylinders through the exhaust valves and get lodged in the hot side of your turbo, causing the turbo to fail? Have you had a look at the old turbo?

Thats a bit of a worry engine rebuilt in 2015,it didn't last long,unless you have put up huge millage.

Best of luck with it Mal. Im waiting on a starter motor and thermostat to arrive in this week for the replaced engine. Hopefully im back on the road next week.

I dont think any light will come on to tell you an injector,or timing belt is about to brake.an engine management light may come on to warn you of a small fault.

Great to have it back I’d say. Onwards and upwards

Happy days Malcolm, now head to infinity and beyond.